Jan. 22, 2026

How A Former Federal Agent Rebuilt His Life, Income, And Brotherhood After Burnout with George T. Gammon

How A Former Federal Agent Rebuilt His Life, Income, And Brotherhood After Burnout with George T. Gammon

Shoot me a message! We trace a path from Federal Air Marshal to entrepreneur, exploring faith, brotherhood and the hard work of rebuilding identity and income after burnout. We talk about men’s mental health, multiple streams of income, and why mentorship and family are the real wealth. • early lessons from being bullied, football captaincy and work ethic • air marshal service as purpose, training and community • corporate shock, backstabbing cultures and remote burnout • faith-driven surren...

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We trace a path from Federal Air Marshal to entrepreneur, exploring faith, brotherhood and the hard work of rebuilding identity and income after burnout. We talk about men’s mental health, multiple streams of income, and why mentorship and family are the real wealth.

• early lessons from being bullied, football captaincy and work ethic
• air marshal service as purpose, training and community
• corporate shock, backstabbing cultures and remote burnout
• faith-driven surrender and finding tribe beyond the badge
• Caveman Combine as team grit, vulnerability and prayer
• why residual income matters more than a title
• mentorship as strategy, network and service
• reframing self-worth, failure and daily discipline
• veterans, stigma, the VA and real intervention
• legacy as raising strong, compassionate daughters

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00:00 - Opening And Guest Introduction

03:32 - Upbringing And Early Work Ethic

05:56 - College Football Lessons And Maturity

11:16 - Family Service And Brother’s Combat Tours

16:26 - Air Marshal Career And Purpose

19:41 - Parents’ Service And Post-9/11 Impact

21:51 - Medical Retirement And Uncertain Next Steps

24:06 - Corporate Shock And Cutthroat Culture

27:56 - Building Multiple Streams Of Income

31:56 - Faith, Surrender, And Mental Health

36:26 - Brotherhood, Men’s Groups, And Support

40:16 - Caveman Combine: Grit And Teamwork

46:56 - Why Residual Income Matters

50:16 - Mentorship, Networks, And Integrity

54:36 - Finding Meaning In Work And Family

59:16 - Self-Worth, Failure, And Perspective

01:05:16 - Service, Identity, And Quiet Pride

01:08:46 - CEO Burnout And Soul Fulfillment

01:13:16 - Giving Back And Community Protection

01:18:16 - Legacy, Daughters, And Independent Thinking

01:23:36 - Hard Childhood, Father’s Struggles, Intervention

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Warriors fall in.

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It's time for formation.

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Today, folks, I have a guest who I actually used to work for once upon a time.

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And today he is running several different streams of income.

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He's a businessman.

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He's pivoted so much, 180 degrees, going from a federal law enforcement officer, government worker, to now running his own businesses and working with multiple CEOs.

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So I'd like to introduce you to none other than the great Floridian George Gammon.

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Thank you, sir, for joining me today.

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Nah, thanks for having me, brother.

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Oh man, honestly, the uh the honor is all mine because um I had the opportunity to work for you a few years ago and uh and work with you, and I gotta say, by far, you were definitely top three most motivated individuals I've ever worked with in my entire life.

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Um and I didn't know a lot of times what would drive you to get things done.

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Um I've been very blessed throughout my life to work with folks like you, and I'm not just kissing your ass because you're sitting in front of me right now, but the one thing that I really enjoyed about your leadership was you understood that each individual person needed different types of mentoring and supervision, and I really appreciated that about you the most.

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Um and I knew that when you made your career transition into the civilian sector that you were gonna pivot and you were gonna be real successful.

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So can you talk a little bit about your background and where you came from originally?

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Uh yeah, um grew up in Florida, born and raised, uh, Tampa, went to college, graduated from the University of South Florida, and then jumped pretty much right into the air marshal service.

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A lot of that came because of connections from my family.

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I grew up in a military family.

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Mom's military, dad's family, or military, my brother's military, Marine Corps, or uh Air Force, Coast Guard, you know, the whole works.

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And uh I had considered going in to the military um through like an ICS program or like uh the uh what do they call it, the uh officer Canada School programs or something while I was in college.

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But my mom had a reserve guy that worked for her who knew about the air marshals.

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And he was telling me all about the air marshals, and so I was like, that sounds like a great job.

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And the more I looked into what being an air marshal was, I was like, what is an air marshal?

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Like I can't find anything about it.

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It was kind of super secret, and so I knew that's what I wanted to do and made it happen.

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Um started in Miami and then just bounced all around DC from DC to LA where I worked with you and began my transition out.

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I come in.

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So that was your first job coming out of college?

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Your first job.

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That was my first my real yeah, that was it.

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Yep.

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So where did the work ethic come from?

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I I mean, I feel like I always kind of had it.

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So like I'll go back to as a kid, I guess.

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Like I was a kind of a bullied kid, right?

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And like I was always kind of a heavier kid, so people made fun of me, and like I had to work harder to overcome those like internal struggles, my own like feeling of self-worth and trying to overcompensate.

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So like I remember when I got into high school, I told myself I'll be captain of the football team.

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And nobody believed me.

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But I did it.

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I worked my ass off.

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I became the strongest, I became the best, I became one of the leaders, and I became captain of the football team.

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You know, got first team all conference, honorable mention, all like all these, you know, scholarship offers and stuff, and I think that's what really did it for me is this internal drive.

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And then my parents are hard-working, driven folks.

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I had good role models, but it's mostly for me.

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And uh and then I became to the point like I think it's more of like that's who I became.

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I just I thrived when I worked hard.

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I could see the results.

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If I just sit back and let things happen and just ask for it to be handed to me, it's not gonna be given to me.

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I had to take it.

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Right.

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So combination of being raised right and sports, and from my understanding from our past conversations, you also got an opportunity to play college football, right?

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I did play a little bit of college football, yeah, man.

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It was it was pretty cool.

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I started a small D D three school up in Wisconsin, got to start there, um, and then transitioned to USF later on, but that didn't work out for me.

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But it was still fun, man.

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It was a good opportunity, great, great opportunity to be able to play at the collegiate level.

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What was it like going to that new level?

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D3 to D1.

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Fast.

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So just even the tryout was faster.

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Everybody's faster, everybody's stronger.

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It's just different.

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And it just was a whole another level.

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Looking back, maybe I should have stayed at the JUCO level if I wanted to play football.

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Yeah, but who wants to live in Wisconsin?

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Who wants to live in Wisconsin though?

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Nah.

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It was it was cool the experience, but I I'll never go back there.

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It's too cold for me.

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Shoot, I remember on a smaller scale, my freshman year, when I got in on a couple of varsity plays, and they actually gave me the ball on one of the plays, and I remember it was over in like a blink of an eye, and I was like, wow, that was fast.

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And that's varsity.

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I can't even imagine D1, like you're working with all these guys that are like the top of the top and the cream of the crop of their own states and everything.

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I never got to do any game time at that level.

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I got game time at the D3 level.

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And even there it was faster.

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I mean, these kids, most of these college kids, like at the even to the D3 level, could be D1 athletes.

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And you see it today where some of these kids will go start a JUCO and now they're you know Heisman trophy candidates and they're getting their opportunities.

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It's just they hustled and they grinded and they didn't give up.

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I did slack a little bit when I transitioned to USF.

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I joined the Greek life, got kind of into the the Greek life a little bit, a little harder than I probably should have, and that was more fun than working my butt off.

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So I kinda I stopped.

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My work ethic kind of backed off for a little bit there for about two or three years in college.

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Well, what's to be expected when you're young and you're living in South Florida, you know?

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It was it was a great time.

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I'm not gonna go into those details, but Yeah.

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That's yeah, that's for another like another like R-rated or worse time.

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But um, I'm originally from Hawaii and I could never imagine putting myself in a tropical environment and thinking that I'm actually gonna attend class.

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So just for you to have the motivation and the mindset and the maturity to just show up and you eventually graduated from USF, right?

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I did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Graduated from USF in 09.

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Yeah.

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And your brother, you have a younger brother, right?

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I do.

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He's a couple years younger than me.

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And he took a different path, right?

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Completely different path.

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Um, he didn't like school at all.

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He was kind of a troubled kid.

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Um just met the wrong crowd early in life, uh, and then got in a little bit of trouble and decided he was going to become a Marine.

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Straight into the Marine Corps infantry.

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O311, right in and straight to combat as a young man.

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You know, did two tours, I believe, injured a couple times.

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Um they're working on his purple heart paperwork now, finally.

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He finally was able to track down a witness for that.

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So they're getting that finally taken care of.

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Is he uh Iraq or Afghanistan?

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He was Afghanistan.

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Afghanistan, yeah.

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Uh completely two different war fronts, man.

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And whenever I talked to people, because I was in Iraq, but whenever I talked to folks that were in Afghanistan, uh, there was really not a lot of hardballs, not a lot of, I mean, roads, black top roads, there wasn't a whole lot of uh buildings.

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It was a really kind of a third a real third world country in a sense.

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And uh the a lot of the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are completely different as far as their experiences go and what they had to do when they were over there.

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So while he was in Iraq or Afghanistan Afghanistan, Afghanistan, you were probably in college around that time, right?

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Right.

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While he was getting shot at, I was partying with sorority girls.

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Two different worlds.

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Doing keg parties and you know, not even thinking about what he was going through at the same exact moments.

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How was that for you though?

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How was that for you when he was deployed?

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Um I always knew he was kind of a tough kid.

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Uh we we hit we bumped heads a lot early because I felt like he should have let led by like I should I was trying to lead by example and guide him and like show him the way and he didn't want to listen to it.

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He did everything the opposite of me.

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If I did football, he's like, no, I don't want nothing to do with that.

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Like completely just separated everything that I was.

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And we just didn't get along much um in our younger years when testosterone kicked in.

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And then uh later, though, we started to really re-come around after his injury.

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Um he got injured in Afghanistan, ejected from a turret, and I guess did three months or so in Germany for rehabilitation.

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And when they originally called, they just said, you know, you're you're well, they told my mother, your son's been injured, he's being medevaced out or something, he's gonna be in Germany, and that's all I told her.

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She had no idea how bad or what the circumstances were, and that's when it kind of hit me.

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I just lost my little brother, right?

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And I didn't get a chance to like tell him, you know, I'm proud of him.

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Because he he actually did it.

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He became a Marine.

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And when I saw him graduate from boot camp, I was like, wow, this he did it.

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I didn't think he would.

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He never finished anything.

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It's just not the kind of kid he was.

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Like he did everything, he was great at everything, but he half asked it.

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But he was a great Marine.

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He was an excellent Marine.

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Excellent.

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Um he he just changed.

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He the military changed him into a better person.

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There were a lot of hard lessons learned, but it turned him into a man.

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And that's when we became you know close again.

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Wow, and I'm blessed.

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I'm blessed that he didn't die, dude.

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It's yeah, that's the reality of it all.

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I mean, two two different realities, right?

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So when I came back from Iraq in 04, um, I would talk to just everyone that was sitting sitting back here, and they were talking about vacations, Cancun.

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I did this, I did that, and like for the last year, I was serving in Iraq, um, dodging bullets, IEDs, and everything like that.

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So it's you come back to a to a world that's literally has carried on without you in a sense.

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And it's kind of humbling in a in a way that he had that event happen to him and it drew you guys closer, even though your entire lives you kind of were at each other's throats like two brothers typically would be, right?

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You can't imagine what your parents went through having to deal with both of you.

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I'm sure there's a lot of uh belt whoopens that went around the house growing up.

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A lot of a lot of doors that had to be replaced, a lot of holes in walls.

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We learned how to patch drywall pretty quick.

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And you and you and your brother are probably about 6'1, 6'2, uh freaking you guys are monsters, man, so I can imagine the damage y'all did do.

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He's playing in about 240 solid.

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I'm I'm pushing like 270, 280.

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Dang, yeah.

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And you're a strong dude.

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There were some battles.

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I I yeah, I've seen you lift before.

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You're a pretty strong dude.

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I know your brother's the same way as well.

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So you had a pretty average upbringing, I would say uh, you know, you have one brother that's kind of the the sports athletic guy, and then you've got the other brother that's kind of the opposite.

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So you've got two different personalities more or less growing up under the same household, and then life just takes you.

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He was super athletic.

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He just didn't want to apply himself.

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The kid had a 90-mile-an-hour fastball.

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He just wouldn't apply himself.

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Like when he went to try out for the baseball team, he tried out jeans.

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Like, who does that, right?

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Like, just a lot of decisions that I question, like, what are you thinking, man?

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Like, are you really thinking through these decisions?

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Probably just a little bit of maturity.

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I mean, you know, that's the best thing about the military is you go in and it gives you time to kind of bake and mature a little bit and figure out what it is that you want to do in life and um exposes you to different cultures, different people, um, a diversity of people from all over the United States, and then leadership and organization, it gives you all that stuff as well.

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So for as much flack as the military gets, um, for the kids out there that don't know what they want to do with themselves, it gives you time to figure it out.

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Um, and it sounds like you were a little more mature in a sense at an early age to figure out that you wanted to go to college, you were playing sports, so that was enough to give you your um your base, your organization, uh, your organizational skills, leadership skills, and all that stuff.

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So going into working for the government, what was that like?

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Um, it was awesome.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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I I really enjoyed being an air marshal.

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I loved from the first day getting my butt kicked, it felt like football practicing in a little bit, you know, running and everybody's yelling at you, and it's just it felt I felt right into it, like doing two a days, and it was fine.

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You know, it it was great.

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Um learning a lot of the skills that we took later, like even though it was at a lower level, like going to the academy was fun for me.

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I didn't have a wife, I didn't have kids, I was 24 years old.

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Like I was young, I I was excited about it, I was ready for it.

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And uh it was an amazing experience.

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Seeing things I never would ever be able to see, you know, if I had not taken that position.

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I met my wife, you know, while doing that job down in Miami.

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I wouldn't have moved to Miami.

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You know what I mean?

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On my own, I probably would have never gone back there.

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So it's I don't know.

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It was a great experience.

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It it felt like what I wanted out of life because I knew I could get a guaranteed good salary.

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My parents always preached, you know, go into government, get a good job, do what you're supposed to do, work your way up the ladder, do your 401k, do your investments, and you'll be fine, right?

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You'll get a good retirement, you'll be solid, can retire in your 40s, and then do whatever you want after that.

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So I kind of like that's what I was gonna do.

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And I just want to be the best at what I did.

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To show up to work, but do the best job I can.

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Just have fun.

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Now, were either one of your parents military or in government work?

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Yeah, they both were.

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So my mom was um, she was a civilian IT supervisor for the Coast Guard, but she was also a uh reserve commander.

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She was an 05, I believe, in the Coast Guard.

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Um, and then around 9-11, after 9-11, she got actually promoted and called to active duty in Miami um to be the chief of maritime homeland security.

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So she did that for I don't know, three, four years.

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So she was separated from the family for a little while.

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Um, while I was in high school, so like uh she went down about 01-02, and she was down there until like 05, I think.

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04-05.

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I can't remember the exact time frame.

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And then uh my dad did 20 years Air Force, and then he got out and he ended up at uh U.S.

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customers.

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So he retired both.

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So yeah.

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Both military government.

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Yeah, you have a really uh deep government military leadership based family.

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I mean, right off the bat, you got a mom and dad that are that are really in there, and especially during a tumultuous time of September 11th, and and being sent down there to cover, you know, national security of our country.

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That's absolutely amazing that that you grew up with that type of leadership, and then you both, both of you boys kind of grew into your own, I guess you could say.

00:16:38.089 --> 00:16:44.089
So now you served your time in the government and then you decided to get out and transition into the civilian side.

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What was that like for you leading up to that?

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Um after the medical retirement, it was kind of nerve-wracking.

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I had no idea what I was gonna do now.

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I knew my my medical pension would not, you know, I had three little girls, I have a wife, I have a full family, young family.

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So I had to make income, right?

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And I didn't know what exactly I wanted to do or how to even get there.

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Um, but networking and making good friendships is where it really became beneficial because I had some people that I could call on that kind of led me to this is what I did, you know, try this.

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Um I did one year as the vice president of cybersecurity investigations for a company, and uh it just wasn't what I was looking for anymore.

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It was very corporate, you know, a lot of work hours, a lot of extra stress that, and I just wanted to do something a little bit differently.

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And it was very cold.

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It was everybody's after you.

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Everybody wanted to take your job, everybody wanted to make you look bad and make themselves look better, and it just it wasn't a very good environment.

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And I just didn't want to be in that anymore.

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So I started figuring out what am I gonna do.

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So I started looking into opening my own business or figuring out what is next.

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Um met a fraternity brother who did commercial real estate, very successful at it, extremely successful at it.

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Probably does six hundred, seven hundred thousand dollars a year in commissions.

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Right?

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So, but when you transfer to that world, you know, into commissions only, there's no money coming in unless you're making the money.

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It's stress.

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Like you don't get the guaranteed paycheck that the government was, that cushy little protection of like, I'm gonna get my paycheck, I'm gonna get my paycheck.

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Like, how do I get my next, you know, five grand, my ten grand, my like what's what how do I get this to make this happen?

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And uh it was tough, you know, and then you also don't have the same kind of brotherhood that you did.

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Like it's not as tight, you're not seeing everybody all the time, you're not always with the the the camaraderie, you're kind of alone.

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So it forces you.

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If you don't step outside of that bubble and you don't start reaching out to people and forcing the communications and the connections, it won't happen.

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Um and I I was very blessed, you know.

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I made a lot of good friendships and a lot of good connections.

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And so I was able to, I'm a you know, a partner doing uh military, the ballistic protection for military contracts, law enforcement contracts.

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I do a little bit of commercial real estate.

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And what I do now is the sales director of a software company.

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We do, you know, merchant services for different kinds of businesses all over the United States in uh Puerto Rico.

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So I kind of got my hands in everything and I never stop.

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That's the thing, man.

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Like when you're working on commission only, you can't have any down days, man.

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You can't take any breaks, right?

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I mean, in the government you could have a Tuesday where you're not feeling it and you can kind of just go through the motions, but when you're accountable and responsible and you have no money in your pockets, that's that's huge, right?

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It's different.

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And you know, like I get to meet with a lot of different business owners every week now.

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I went and found a different kind of group of people to kind of hang around, and what I've learned is every business owner goes through that.

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Like there is no guaranteed money.

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If you don't, like just like any company, if you don't sell the product, there is no money coming in.

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You could have all the product in the world, but if you don't sell it, it's just loss.

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So it's the same kind of mentality of like, I've got to go out and grind for me.

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But there's less overhead, like you don't have somebody yelling at you all the time.

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You don't have the stress of like, it's a different kind of stress.

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But it's motivating because you're working for yourself.

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Now, did you think the grass would be greener?

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No.

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You didn't.

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I knew that it was gonna be a challenge and a transition, and I knew that I was gonna have to work three times as hard because I no longer can work in a position where I'm the the guy that like I already knew, I felt like I knew a lot in the government.

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I had a lot of m you know expertise by the time I retired, and I kind of basically had a good knowledge point on what I was doing.

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People came to me for answers.

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So stepping back into this world, I had to learn everything over, start over at the bottom again.

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Completely start from scratch.

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And I'm still like, I'm still learning every day.

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There's so much to learn.

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Did you feel like in corporate America that they're versus the government work that there's a lot of backstabbing going on because everyone's trying to climb that ladder?

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100%.

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100%.

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In the corporate world, in that corporate nine to five type environment, especially like the industry I was in, everybody is trying to keep their job.

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Right?

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In the government, they try you like you had to really do something to get fired.

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Like you had to really step on your toes multiple times.

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In in that world, they've they basically hung it over your head.

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Like we can let you go at any minute.

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Like we're paying you for this.

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Like your expert take, these are your expectations.

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Like if you're not exceeding those expectations, we can let you go at any moment.

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Like you're always on the chopping block.

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And everybody knows that.

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So any chance they can get to like step on you to get keep their job or get a promotion, they're gonna do it.

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There are no friendships, there's no loyalties.

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It's a completely different world.

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I had a similar experience too when I got out of the military and I worked for a large aeronautics company.

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I was 27 at the time, had a graduate degree, just got out of the army as a captain, just came back from Operation Iraqi Freedom.

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Everybody's still flying the American flags.

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Um I was fortunate on one hand to be brought in and be employed right after resigning my commission.

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But when they handed us off, when HR handed us off to the management folks, um it was kind of like you're out in the ocean now, figure it out.

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And so a lot of your peers would look at you and say, 27 years old, has a master's degree, I don't even have a degree.

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Um, this is my competition now.

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Like I have to figure out how to get over this kid, and the leverage I have is my experience here.

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So I experienced a lot of that, a lot of um just hater mentality, basically, where I was trying to, I was, I was almost sabotaged in some ways.

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And finding someone to lean on, someone that you can trust was hard.

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And I was fortunate that there was another Air Force veteran, there was an Air Force veteran there, and uh his name was Kenny.

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Um, and shout out to him, man, because he actually pulled me aside and said, Look, kid, like this is what's going on, this is what you gotta do.

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So, how did you find the people that you could trust?

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How did you find your new tribe and your circle when you get out here and you just don't know who to trust?

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I mean, this is gonna sound cliche to a lot of people, but God, man.

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Like he led me, and I'd I'm I've kind of changed the way my approach to life in general.

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Like before when I was in the government, like I got to a point where I thought I was the one in control.

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I was the reason I promoted.

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I was the reason that I I was always me, me, me.

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Like everything I did was because I put in the work.

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It was me all the time.

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And there was a point, and I don't know if I told you this or I didn't tell many people about this, but there was a point in California, dude, where I I just couldn't do it anymore with COVID and all the stuff going on and the stress and like the feeling that I'm gonna lose my job and the family and how am I gonna support my kids?

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Like, I couldn't, I had no answers.

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It came to a point where I had no, I couldn't figure out what to do.

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And I hit my knees on the side of a cliff right there in Palos Verdes out looking out towards Catalina Island, and I surrendered it, dude.

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I was like, I I give up, I give it all over.

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I I can't do this.

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I give it all over.

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Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen.

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At that point, like I just I said I can't control it anymore.

00:24:44.409 --> 00:24:50.169
I'm gonna stay aware and I'm not gonna like you know completely give up, but I'm I can't try to control every outcome.

00:24:50.409 --> 00:24:52.649
I just gotta ride it, take it when it comes.

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Stop stressing so much.

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I couldn't sleep.

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Like it was bad.

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I was it was it was very unhealthy.

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And uh now it's more of we roll with the experience.

00:25:05.769 --> 00:25:15.129
Like I don't force the experiences anymore, and like I'm always l open to communicate with people and help people and offer helping hand whatever I can.

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And then because it's like it's a thing called givers gain, I feel like, the more you give, you you tend to give back.

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And some people call it karma, some people call it whatever.

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But I just kind of ride the flow now and I still work hard, you know, you can't stop working.

00:25:31.849 --> 00:25:37.289
Like biblically, you have to work, but it's no longer me in control.

00:25:38.009 --> 00:25:44.009
I feel like I'm doing my work through somebody else's plan and just trying to help people whenever I can.

00:25:44.649 --> 00:25:46.490
Do everything I can to help people.

00:25:46.970 --> 00:25:52.009
Your your wife must be an extremely strong individual.

00:25:52.169 --> 00:25:58.970
You have three daughters, you're out here hundreds of miles away from your nearest family, right?

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Because you're they're all in Florida, and you're out here in Los Angeles, lost Angeles.

00:26:05.929 --> 00:26:07.769
This place is so lost.

00:26:07.929 --> 00:26:13.049
Uh and um it's I mean, it's it's hard to connect here.

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I always say there's like millions of people here, but it's really hard to find a good circle, a good community because everything here is traffic and lines and hustle and bustle, and you hit the ground and had to just give it up to Jesus and say, Look, take the wheel, like tell me where to go from here.

00:26:36.009 --> 00:26:38.490
Um, how how did that change your life after that?

00:26:38.569 --> 00:26:45.289
Like, how has that changed your life now that you're not feeling like you have to drive the steering wheel, but you're listening to someone else?

00:26:45.690 --> 00:26:47.849
It was a it was a blessing in a lot of ways.

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And my wife is a saint.

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Like she really is, and you know, I I've also got to thank you for that conversation we had in my office, like probably a year in when I was thinking about sending my wife and children home back to Florida.

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Like they weren't liking Los Angeles, COVID and all the chaos and the stress, and we have a baby that's stuck in a house all the time.

00:27:08.569 --> 00:27:09.529
It was just horrible.

00:27:09.690 --> 00:27:11.849
And you're like, don't do it, it's not worth it.

00:27:12.009 --> 00:27:13.929
Like, either keep them here or you leave.

00:27:14.089 --> 00:27:15.529
Like, never leave your family.

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And you had an experience yourself, man, that you shared with me, and that changed me.

00:27:19.129 --> 00:27:20.490
I learned from you in that.

00:27:21.049 --> 00:27:23.769
And that conversation was meant to happen.

00:27:24.009 --> 00:27:26.089
Like, I was meant to meet you, I was meant to be there.

00:27:26.169 --> 00:27:28.329
I was meant to have that exact conversation in that office.

00:27:28.490 --> 00:27:30.250
Otherwise, my life would look completely different.

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I could be divorced now, I could be, who knows?

00:27:32.889 --> 00:27:34.169
Who knows what happened?

00:27:34.329 --> 00:27:34.970
You know?

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That's the way I look at life.

00:27:37.769 --> 00:27:38.809
Everything has a purpose.

00:27:38.970 --> 00:27:40.970
The good, the bad, the ugly, all of it.

00:27:41.450 --> 00:27:43.450
There is a purpose and it flows.

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You just gotta be willing to kind of ride it and listen.

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And if you don't listen, you're gonna miss something.

00:27:49.690 --> 00:27:53.129
Like I you told me what to do, and I was like, man, that's that's what I'm gonna do.

00:27:53.369 --> 00:27:54.250
I listened.

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I heard you.

00:27:56.490 --> 00:28:12.409
I really appreciate you listening to me, because I I don't mind being vulnerable, and that's kind of why I have this podcast, is I don't mind sharing my experiences, no matter how shitty they were, no matter what the outcome was, how I mean I failed so many times, man, in life.

00:28:12.490 --> 00:28:14.009
I have failed so many times.

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I lived and learned, and in a sense, I feel like if I can share a piece of me that makes me vulnerable for someone else, and it makes their life better, then I'll die happy.

00:28:30.970 --> 00:28:42.250
And I appreciate you listening to just what I had to say, you know, because um, yeah, I I had an experience where I thought on paper, this makes sense.

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Like I'll send my family away and I'll stay here, and you know, and and all this stuff, and it it just doesn't work, and your wealth is truly your family and not your bank account.

00:28:57.849 --> 00:29:18.329
And I think people need to understand that sometimes that it's not about hum the the amount of digits that you have in your bank or what's on your statement, it's about when you go home, do you have someone to cry and lean on and just release all the world's tensions?

00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:21.369
And so I'm proud of you.

00:29:21.529 --> 00:29:32.089
I can't tell you how proud I am of you because you are so resilient, you are you've always been super professional, and you're truly a leader and when at when it's all said and done.

00:29:32.169 --> 00:29:39.929
And like I said, you're definitely top three of all the blessed folks that I've ever had to work for my entire life.

00:29:40.089 --> 00:29:48.329
Um so for that, you know, the career transition happens, and you end up in now you're in Florida, right?

00:29:48.569 --> 00:29:48.809
Yep.

00:29:48.889 --> 00:29:49.849
We're back in Florida.

00:29:50.089 --> 00:29:52.409
And you're working for this corporation.

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What was what was that like?

00:29:55.769 --> 00:30:03.129
It was different in the way that they expect you to come in as a professional right away.

00:30:03.369 --> 00:30:05.529
They're not gonna train you, they're not gonna teach you.

00:30:05.609 --> 00:30:10.649
There's nothing that you will be you come in and they're you're gonna do the job.

00:30:10.889 --> 00:30:11.609
Like that's it.

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You read your SOPs, you you, you know, you read what they tell you to do, and that figure it out.

00:30:17.529 --> 00:30:20.250
And you better be good at it or you're you're done.

00:30:20.569 --> 00:30:23.849
And, you know, it just it it was a remote job.

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It was completely remote, and it was computer for 16 hours a day almost.

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I had three monitors and I was constantly investigating all kinds of fraud and insider threat, and just it was insane.

00:30:36.490 --> 00:30:40.490
Like we did in my year, I think I did over 100 investigations.

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Just me.

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And then we had a team of like five at the time.

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And the job, I'll put it this way, the job was so stressful, and I hope he's in heaven.

00:30:50.009 --> 00:30:54.649
And I I don't know what but the guy that I worked for, he was a great guy.

00:30:54.730 --> 00:30:56.569
He used to be an air marshal as well, actually.

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That's how I learned about the position.

00:30:58.649 --> 00:31:00.169
Um, he committed suicide.

00:31:00.490 --> 00:31:02.409
What the job stress got to him.

00:31:02.569 --> 00:31:03.129
Yeah.

00:31:03.529 --> 00:31:05.609
This was after you started working there?

00:31:05.929 --> 00:31:06.809
After I left.

00:31:07.769 --> 00:31:09.289
About a year after I left.

00:31:09.529 --> 00:31:12.970
And it was pretty sad, man, like when I heard about it.

00:31:13.049 --> 00:31:19.690
You had a young kid, his wife, and just the stress of those kinds of jobs sometimes can be overwhelming.

00:31:19.769 --> 00:31:21.450
And you talk about being vulnerable, right?

00:31:21.690 --> 00:31:34.409
One of the things he told, there's another really good close friend, I don't want to say names right now, but he called him the night before and he was harping on his time in the government.

00:31:34.889 --> 00:31:48.009
I mean, I missed the brotherhood and man, and then um the guy who worked with me at the uh the bank doing the investigations, one of the team members, when he left, you know, he went back into government because he just didn't like it in the private world.

00:31:48.250 --> 00:31:50.970
So he went back in and now he's with HSI.

00:31:51.450 --> 00:31:56.889
And while he was at HSI Academy, um, this guy, this particular person's picture's on the wall.

00:31:57.129 --> 00:32:00.250
He won a bunch of awards there for the HSI Academy when he was there.

00:32:00.329 --> 00:32:05.210
You know, they take the pictures of you and they post it up when you beat all the running records, shooting records, and all that stuff.

00:32:05.450 --> 00:32:10.649
So his buddy, our mutual friend, took a picture and said it to him and he's like, Yeah, it's back when I mattered.

00:32:11.450 --> 00:32:13.049
And he had no outlet, right?

00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:18.809
He wasn't reaching out to anybody, he wasn't vulnerable, he wasn't able to talk about his what the struggles he was going through internally.

00:32:19.049 --> 00:32:23.690
But looking back, our mutual friend was like, wow, I didn't pick up on that.

00:32:23.849 --> 00:32:24.970
He told me.

00:32:25.289 --> 00:32:27.769
He said it, like back when I mattered, right?

00:32:28.089 --> 00:32:29.210
The key words.

00:32:29.529 --> 00:32:30.730
But he wasn't listening.

00:32:30.889 --> 00:32:32.490
He wasn't truly listening, and he blames himself.

00:32:32.569 --> 00:32:33.929
I'm like, don't blame yourself, man.

00:32:34.169 --> 00:32:34.730
It is hard.

00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:36.250
These are hard lessons.

00:32:37.049 --> 00:32:39.849
Like it just it was it was bad.

00:32:40.569 --> 00:32:45.289
I'm not saying it's like that in every government job or corporate job after the government or anything like that.

00:32:45.450 --> 00:32:51.690
It's just there's always going to be hard times, there's always gonna be struggles, there's always gonna be something, and we need each other.

00:32:51.849 --> 00:32:55.369
It's the brotherhood, it's the camaraderie that you need, whether it's three people.

00:32:55.690 --> 00:32:56.809
Men need men.

00:32:57.049 --> 00:32:59.450
And I'm actually in a part of a biblical group now.

00:32:59.529 --> 00:33:07.210
It's a bunch of you know, business owners, um, and we're doing this uh this workshop, and we go through and we're it's all men.

00:33:07.369 --> 00:33:15.369
We talk about the vulnerabilities of man and we work through that, and we openly communicate it because it's not easy.

00:33:15.529 --> 00:33:16.970
Uh it's it's really not.

00:33:17.129 --> 00:33:23.529
And I don't know if I told you uh about the caveman combine that I got to do with my brother.

00:33:24.009 --> 00:33:28.009
You mentioned it to me, and I I tried to reach out to those guys and never was able to get a hold of them.

00:33:28.329 --> 00:33:31.450
Caleb is super busy, but they're starting to get it going again.

00:33:31.529 --> 00:33:35.690
Um, there's one in May if you want to go, but uh I'm gonna go again.

00:33:35.929 --> 00:33:38.889
It's it's brutal, it's intense, but it's freaking awesome.

00:33:39.129 --> 00:33:40.169
You can see some of their videos.

00:33:40.250 --> 00:33:44.009
They have an Instagram channel and the uh like they have some some podcasts and stuff.

00:33:44.089 --> 00:33:46.169
But Caleb Callahan, great guy.

00:33:46.329 --> 00:33:57.609
Um, that was another way that men got us back to our different roots, like our foundational roots and the prayers and the the the just it's constantly about building that brotherhood, I think.

00:33:57.769 --> 00:33:58.009
Yeah.

00:33:58.169 --> 00:34:02.009
And maintaining it and having someone you can actually be vulnerable and talk to about stuff.

00:34:02.250 --> 00:34:04.009
Because it it's not easy.

00:34:04.329 --> 00:34:07.369
The the thing that I loved about the the uh what was it called?

00:34:07.450 --> 00:34:08.329
The caveman what?

00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:09.530
Caveman combine.

00:34:09.769 --> 00:34:10.730
Caveman combine.

00:34:11.210 --> 00:34:18.809
The thing I liked about that was what you when you talked to me about that before was how they have the groups set up and it's more of a team effort.

00:34:18.970 --> 00:34:26.490
There's been a lot of these Navy SEAL style boot camps that have popped up where they just spray you down with the water hose and insult you the whole time.

00:34:26.730 --> 00:34:29.130
And that's those are absolutely ridiculous.

00:34:29.210 --> 00:34:30.490
Those are really stupid.

00:34:30.730 --> 00:34:39.610
But like what you described with the caveman combine, it builds camaraderie and it gives you a chance to work as a team and then it involves religion, right?

00:34:39.849 --> 00:34:47.050
It's not like you've got some grown man yelling at you and spitting in your face and giving you uh a mock-up of what Navy SEALs go through.

00:34:47.130 --> 00:34:48.809
That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

00:34:48.889 --> 00:34:56.090
But the caveman combine, it sounds like you got an opportunity to network and meet a lot of folks, and you worked with your brother there as well.

00:34:56.650 --> 00:34:56.889
Yeah.

00:34:57.289 --> 00:34:57.929
What were your things?

00:34:58.090 --> 00:34:59.610
First time we were ever on a team.

00:34:59.849 --> 00:35:00.570
There were nice things.

00:35:10.009 --> 00:35:13.289
We camped out for three days and hard like hard-knocked it.

00:35:13.529 --> 00:35:16.009
Cold weather, rain in the mountains of Georgia.

00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:17.690
That's so cool, man.

00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:19.130
Such a great experience.

00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:21.929
Describe like what the setups were were like.

00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:32.409
Like how big were the groups and how big, how many groups were there, and and what was the environment like, and what were some of the obstacles and and I guess team obstacles you had to go through.

00:35:32.650 --> 00:35:34.009
So I'll circle back a little bit too.

00:35:34.090 --> 00:35:39.210
Like how I came into this was I was at an event for my current job, the software company.

00:35:39.289 --> 00:35:48.969
We were doing a convention, and there was this like country boy across from me, just this loud, outgoing, charismatic, loud country boy with his business.

00:35:49.049 --> 00:35:51.289
Just I could just see him as his energy.

00:35:51.529 --> 00:35:53.049
I was like, I'm gonna go talk to this guy.

00:35:53.210 --> 00:35:54.489
This is Caleb Callahan.

00:35:54.730 --> 00:36:01.130
And he just, you know, told me all about the stuff, and we got to talk about the lore and the politics and their country, and just you know, just everything.

00:36:01.210 --> 00:36:01.849
We didn't hold back.

00:36:01.929 --> 00:36:03.369
Like we were just having a great time.

00:36:03.529 --> 00:36:07.049
And he's like, hey, next month I'm doing this thing called Caveman Combine.

00:36:07.210 --> 00:36:09.130
You sound like you and your brother would be good for it.

00:36:09.210 --> 00:36:10.170
I'm like, I'll be there.

00:36:10.329 --> 00:36:11.449
He's like, Yeah, right, right.

00:36:11.610 --> 00:36:16.809
Okay, like, okay, sure, you're gonna show up to this combine thing and beat yourself up for three days.

00:36:17.049 --> 00:36:18.329
You know, not expensive either.

00:36:18.409 --> 00:36:19.049
Not that expensive.

00:36:19.130 --> 00:36:21.130
It's like 400 bucks for the whole weekend.

00:36:21.210 --> 00:36:24.730
That covered the food, the ammo, the everything, right?

00:36:25.289 --> 00:36:26.090
So we did it.

00:36:26.250 --> 00:36:26.809
We showed up.

00:36:26.969 --> 00:36:35.210
Me and my brother packed it up, got a couple tents, we didn't know what to expect, and just drove eight hours north to the mountains, Georgia, and just went into this compound.

00:36:35.449 --> 00:36:38.170
So you pull into this compound and it's beautiful.

00:36:38.409 --> 00:36:42.889
260 acres of mountainside compound, self-sustainable community.

00:36:43.049 --> 00:36:46.489
Like these he's built himself a beautiful little nook.

00:36:46.650 --> 00:36:50.329
And I can't, I'm not gonna share these the allocation right now.

00:36:50.570 --> 00:36:55.929
But um, so you go into it, you pull up, and it's just this big campsite they have set up.

00:36:56.009 --> 00:37:14.170
They have these um these giant, they put pulled trees down and made these giant tents out of like giant pine trees and black tarps, and they had the cots, like the military-style cots, all inside the bunks, and then outside the bunks, they had these uh like posts that were different colors.

00:37:14.329 --> 00:37:15.690
Nobody knew what it was for yet.

00:37:15.849 --> 00:37:19.130
So you show up, you register, you know, you there's like six tents.

00:37:19.449 --> 00:37:22.730
So I'm uh I assumed at that time there's gonna be six teams of some sort.

00:37:22.969 --> 00:37:24.889
There's six tents, different colors.

00:37:25.289 --> 00:37:28.570
You show up and they have bench presses made out of wood.

00:37:28.730 --> 00:37:37.369
Like out there, there's like five bench press machines, there's a pull-up bar, there's like all these different like things set up, and you're like, okay, this looks like like the football combine kind of.

00:37:37.449 --> 00:37:39.210
You're like, what's about to happen here?

00:37:39.369 --> 00:37:46.090
I'm having flashbacks of the uh you know the old HFAs, like back when they when they would get us in the academy.

00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:53.849
Um and then so we get there, we sign up, they call everybody in, and they basically give you a number.

00:37:54.090 --> 00:38:00.650
And they give you this like little sticker, you put it to your thing, and you have a number, and you have this sheet, and you basically walk around and compete.

00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:08.809
And you do all like you do as many bench presses as you can, you throw the key, you throw the uh kettlebell as far as you can, you do the pull-ups, and you they score you.

00:38:08.969 --> 00:38:10.730
And then you're drafted on the teams.

00:38:11.130 --> 00:38:14.090
And I want to say there's about 48 men, give or take.

00:38:14.250 --> 00:38:15.130
I want to say that was the number.

00:38:15.210 --> 00:38:21.210
I'm not, I don't care exactly how many, but then they would call basically out from that, they would giraft us into different teams.

00:38:21.449 --> 00:38:32.969
And then they would tell you what team you're on, you'd meet your team captain, you get your colored shirts into the tent, they kind of break it down, your leader tells you down, says a prayer, you know, you start talking about it, we're getting to know each other a little bit.

00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:37.610
And then that night, that very first night, activities start.

00:38:37.849 --> 00:38:45.449
I mean, it's pouring down rain, it's you know, cold, and we're out there like crushing it.

00:38:45.610 --> 00:38:48.570
I mean, we went so hard, a dude broke his leg on the first night.

00:38:48.809 --> 00:38:50.889
Like snapped, completely snapped it.

00:38:50.969 --> 00:38:53.049
They had to take him to the hospital that night.

00:38:53.210 --> 00:38:54.489
But it was a great time, man.

00:38:54.570 --> 00:38:56.329
So you put yourself through a lot of torture.

00:38:56.489 --> 00:39:00.489
You're hurting, go to sleep, wake right back up in the morning to get back to it.

00:39:00.650 --> 00:39:06.730
Um, there was marksmanship, where you did different levels of marksmanship from the like the caveman on.

00:39:06.809 --> 00:39:13.529
So like you threw stones, then you threw spears, then you threw hatchets, then you shot bow and arrow, transitioned all the way to guns.

00:39:13.769 --> 00:39:26.809
Um and then once we did the marksmanship exercise, there was uh let's see, there was marksmanship, there was the relay races, there was the crucible, which was intense.

00:39:26.969 --> 00:39:28.570
Um that one hurt me.

00:39:28.730 --> 00:39:44.489
It's basically a four-mile run, team run, through the mountains, up the mountain, down with ropes, through up going upstream against a running, flowing, full flowing river, and like up to your waist, ice cold, you can't feel your toes.

00:39:44.809 --> 00:39:49.610
You go up that for a couple miles, and you and there's only the only way you can do it is by teamwork.

00:39:49.769 --> 00:40:00.090
So if you don't have your guy to lift you over the logs, like there's some logs you have to go over, they have a side like you have to go under some, over some, and if you don't have somebody to pull you under that rushing water man, you would get swept out.

00:40:00.329 --> 00:40:01.929
So it was pretty intense.

00:40:02.090 --> 00:40:09.610
Um and then you get to the end of it, and there were some pretty cool things that like if you weren't paying attention and working as a team, you couldn't finish it.

00:40:09.849 --> 00:40:12.329
Like it was all about that brotherhood and working together.

00:40:12.489 --> 00:40:23.289
Like if you got to the end, but you forgot you didn't go get the key and you weren't paying attention to the maps and you weren't like together, you couldn't unlock your tools to build the cruci the crucifix out of two by fours.

00:40:23.449 --> 00:40:26.969
You had to build this giant crucifix to carry that in for the final run.

00:40:27.369 --> 00:40:29.289
So you couldn't finish the this whole thing.

00:40:29.369 --> 00:40:38.409
You had to go all the way back, get the key, and then come back and build your so it was it was a really cool, you know, it it oh and the warrior games.

00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:40.650
Man, I can't I don't forget, forget the warrior games.

00:40:40.889 --> 00:40:41.210
Dude.

00:40:41.529 --> 00:40:52.730
Pugle sticks, tug of war, um, the ring of fire where you're grabbing onto this tire and just trying to just drive each other out of the circle or just launch each other off of it.

00:40:52.969 --> 00:40:55.929
It was just full on just we went to war.

00:40:56.090 --> 00:41:01.529
And then It sounds like a ton of fun, man.

00:41:01.610 --> 00:41:02.650
How many days was this?

00:41:03.049 --> 00:41:05.369
It was it was three days, two nights.

00:41:06.329 --> 00:41:13.369
So you show up on a Friday, you stay Friday night, Saturday night, and then you leave Sunday uh evening.

00:41:14.090 --> 00:41:18.170
Now, do you have to necessarily be a Bible beater?

00:41:18.409 --> 00:41:21.529
Like, do you have to be someone that's deeper religious to do this sort of thing?

00:41:21.849 --> 00:41:22.489
Not at all.

00:41:22.730 --> 00:41:26.570
I would say there was a good handful of these guys that weren't that way.

00:41:26.809 --> 00:41:29.449
So like we would do these, you know, these talks about the Bible.

00:41:30.730 --> 00:41:34.329
You know, one of the guys was in the Navy SEAL and he's a pastor now.

00:41:34.489 --> 00:41:37.610
And uh he's part of one of the ones that started this program.

00:41:37.929 --> 00:41:41.130
But they're just trying to get young men and breach them.

00:41:41.369 --> 00:41:43.929
You know, you don't have to, they're not gonna turn you away.

00:41:44.009 --> 00:41:45.049
They're not gonna say go.

00:41:45.130 --> 00:41:48.329
Like, you come, you participate, you know, and just listen.

00:41:48.489 --> 00:41:54.809
And we'd have these talks too, where, you know, with our group, we would have these in-depth talks about what we're going through in life.

00:41:54.969 --> 00:41:57.049
You know, these kinds of kind of what we're doing now in a way.

00:41:57.210 --> 00:41:59.210
Like opening up, being vulnerable.

00:41:59.769 --> 00:42:09.449
There are guys that said they had never in their entire lives opened up about some of these conversations we had to anybody, especially a man.

00:42:10.250 --> 00:42:20.009
Because as a man, you know, we're tough, we're strong, we're unbreakable, we're we're this hard surface, like nobody can ever, we have no emotion, we're so tough.

00:42:20.250 --> 00:42:22.730
No one realizes like that's not at all what we are.

00:42:22.889 --> 00:42:23.849
We're human beings.

00:42:24.009 --> 00:42:25.449
We're fragile creatures.

00:42:25.769 --> 00:42:30.570
Our hard surface is just a product of all the things that are underlying that led to that.

00:42:30.809 --> 00:42:32.250
Why do we portray that way?

00:42:32.409 --> 00:42:34.570
Why do we have to be so tough or angry?

00:42:34.889 --> 00:42:36.969
There's underlying issues to all of it.

00:42:37.210 --> 00:42:39.049
And it's just it brought a brotherhood, man.

00:42:39.289 --> 00:42:42.409
It was meant to be meeting those guys, competing with my brother.

00:42:42.570 --> 00:42:44.329
It was uh one of the greatest experiences.

00:42:44.409 --> 00:42:45.769
I can't wait to do it again.

00:42:46.090 --> 00:42:49.210
Man, that sounded exciting when you were describing it.

00:42:49.369 --> 00:42:54.409
Everything from swimming upstream and and just all the elements that you had to deal with.

00:42:54.570 --> 00:42:55.849
Yeah, man, that sounds awesome.

00:42:56.009 --> 00:42:57.769
About how many people were there altogether?

00:42:57.929 --> 00:43:00.009
Would you say like 200 or so or less than that?

00:43:00.329 --> 00:43:05.610
A little over a hundred with all the volunteers and yeah, because they had all kinds of volunteers that showed up.

00:43:05.769 --> 00:43:10.250
Um a lot of these guys lived in the local area of northern Georgia, Tennessee.

00:43:10.329 --> 00:43:16.889
Um, but there were some people that came all the way from like, I want to say uh Virginia, Alabama, us from Tampa.

00:43:17.049 --> 00:43:21.289
So the word's getting out, you know, and these guys, I would love to help them grow this thing.

00:43:21.449 --> 00:43:23.130
It's it's a great product.

00:43:23.529 --> 00:43:24.650
I would love to connect with them.

00:43:24.809 --> 00:43:42.250
I mean, it sounds like a really cool event, man, a real positive event, an event that we need in tod in today's world, man, especially a lot of these men out here need something to bring that reciprocity and that that idea of teamwork back together again, you know.

00:43:42.329 --> 00:43:46.250
And that I got excited just listening to you talk about it, man.

00:43:46.409 --> 00:43:49.849
Um we had a conversation the other day, and I want to touch on this.

00:43:50.009 --> 00:43:58.409
Um can you underline the importance of the importance that you have found, I guess, with having multiple streams of income?

00:44:00.809 --> 00:44:06.409
So it comes back to when I was in the government, I put all my eggs in that basket.

00:44:06.489 --> 00:44:13.529
I was thinking, like just as my parents told me, you work in the government, you get your pension, you put away some money, and when you retire, you've got all your money you need.

00:44:13.690 --> 00:44:16.570
Well, that's not true anymore, especially.

00:44:16.809 --> 00:44:24.730
Even when you do retire, you do your full 20, 25 years, you come out, you could have a couple hundred grand, maybe five, six hundred grand in your TSP.

00:44:24.809 --> 00:44:28.489
If you played it right in your 401k, you might be able to get to 800 or so.

00:44:29.529 --> 00:44:30.489
Not bad.

00:44:30.969 --> 00:44:34.969
But if you're gonna retire in your 40s and 50s, the cost is going up.

00:44:35.130 --> 00:44:36.409
Everything's going up.

00:44:36.570 --> 00:44:41.610
And if you're not drawing from all those things properly, like for me, I I didn't get all that pension.

00:44:41.690 --> 00:44:43.690
I didn't get all that time to invest.

00:44:43.929 --> 00:44:48.250
So I only came out with like 90 something thousand at my TSP, maybe a hundred.

00:44:49.049 --> 00:44:59.049
And, you know, with the pension being what it was, now I'm like, okay, how do I continue paying for all these expenses that I'm used to doing with$160,000 your salary?

00:45:00.009 --> 00:45:06.889
And having one stream of revenue, you could lose it at any moment, especially when you come to the private sector.

00:45:07.289 --> 00:45:09.849
Like you don't know when that stream of revenue is going to be shut down.

00:45:09.929 --> 00:45:14.329
So you get all these bills, get all the you build this lifestyle, and all of a sudden it's gone tomorrow.

00:45:14.650 --> 00:45:15.929
Just because they don't want you anymore.

00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:17.610
They cut you at any time.

00:45:17.849 --> 00:45:23.529
And I started meeting all of the wealthy people I've met have multiple streams of revenue.

00:45:24.329 --> 00:45:28.889
Monetarily wealthy people I've met, they all have numerous streams of revenue.

00:45:29.049 --> 00:45:34.489
Um, and a lot of them focus on building residual income in addition to their active income.

00:45:34.969 --> 00:45:39.849
So, like, for me with champion payments, this is my active income.

00:45:40.090 --> 00:45:41.369
This is where I'm focused on.

00:45:41.449 --> 00:45:46.090
My energy is kind of focused on, and then everything else I have working for me.

00:45:46.409 --> 00:46:00.170
Like with the, you know, the procurement of the ballistic protection and the body armor contracts and then the commercial real estate stuff, and then building residual income within this business is another avenue stream of revenue in addition to my active income.

00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:07.769
So it's it's building out, so like if something were to happen, I still have income, no matter what happens.

00:46:08.009 --> 00:46:12.650
And years down the road, I have that that that income is always there.

00:46:13.130 --> 00:46:24.889
I'm looking at hopefully one day I'll get to acquire a couple commercial properties where I can have those commercial properties work for me and have investment properties and and you know, just multiple streams of revenue.

00:46:25.289 --> 00:46:27.529
Yeah, what at what point did you make that shift though?

00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:31.849
You went from like the mentality that your parents gave you to the mentality that you have now.

00:46:32.009 --> 00:46:36.009
Like, was there somebody involved in that, or was it just you just came to that?

00:46:36.409 --> 00:46:38.170
No, it was people that I met.

00:46:38.409 --> 00:46:47.210
People I've talked to, like the way you I listen to people, I absorb and I learn from people's experiences because they've already been there or they've done that.

00:46:47.289 --> 00:46:51.849
And like I also surround myself by successful people on purpose, right?

00:46:52.009 --> 00:46:55.929
So, like, if I want to be successful, that's who I need to talk to.

00:46:56.250 --> 00:46:57.210
How did you do it?

00:46:57.369 --> 00:46:58.409
How did you get here?

00:46:58.570 --> 00:47:04.650
You know, and a lot of these guys that I've met, I mean, they've been willing to share their secrets because it's not a secret.

00:47:04.889 --> 00:47:05.929
You know, it's not a secret.

00:47:06.009 --> 00:47:08.250
They're not trying to hold some secrets formula.

00:47:08.489 --> 00:47:14.329
They just work hard, you know, put their faith and do multiple different things and do it well.

00:47:14.730 --> 00:47:17.289
Work hard, discipline, faith.

00:47:17.529 --> 00:47:25.130
I mean, can you talk about the importance that you have found in like mentorship mentorship is a big one.

00:47:25.289 --> 00:47:26.570
I love helping people.

00:47:27.130 --> 00:47:31.769
And it there is it could turn around for you too.

00:47:31.929 --> 00:47:34.090
Like you never know when someone can come back and help you out.

00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:38.809
Like someone that you've guided in in life, and all of a sudden, wow, they're in a position to help you.

00:47:38.969 --> 00:47:49.289
And it's been I've been very blessed that I've gotten to see a lot of people succeed, um, that I've helped and mentored, but I've also taken some mentors as well.

00:47:49.769 --> 00:48:02.409
You know, I've been lucky and blessed that I've found some good mentors that guided me and you know, showed me different paths and great partnerships and like just I think that is the most important thing we can do in this life.

00:48:03.449 --> 00:48:10.009
People call it networking or whatever, but be selective on who you surround yourself with.

00:48:10.329 --> 00:48:12.489
But don't push people away either.

00:48:12.730 --> 00:48:14.170
Like listen, help people out.

00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:15.529
Like just be a good person.

00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:24.409
If you're willing to help people and you're willing to put yourself out there and you're willing to actually listen and make a change, it it changes everything.

00:48:24.650 --> 00:48:26.969
That I think that is the key to all of it.

00:48:28.170 --> 00:48:34.889
Like I think that like that is literally the you can't do it alone.

00:48:35.690 --> 00:48:37.289
No one can do it alone.

00:48:37.849 --> 00:48:39.929
Like there is no success alone.

00:48:40.250 --> 00:48:50.489
Maybe maybe that is not true for everybody, but in most experiences I've seen and people that I've seen that have been successful, they surround themselves with a good team, good people, and they have a good network of friends.

00:48:50.809 --> 00:48:51.929
Ones they can rely on.

00:48:52.009 --> 00:48:54.650
And they work together and they're not trying to stab each other in the back.

00:48:54.809 --> 00:49:01.289
Like that's one thing I love about what I do now with merchant processing and merchant services and and working at champion payments.

00:49:01.369 --> 00:49:09.369
People are like, well, how do you feel, you know, like you're doing a good job, or how do you feel like your job matters?

00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:15.369
Well, what I do now is completely dependent on the success of the people I work for and with.

00:49:15.529 --> 00:49:21.210
Like if I partner with a restaurant, let's say, I don't make a profit unless that restaurant succeeds.

00:49:22.170 --> 00:49:25.529
Our success is completely reliant on each other's success.

00:49:25.849 --> 00:49:29.610
So there is no me trying to make them fail to make myself better.

00:49:29.769 --> 00:49:31.049
Like I want them to succeed.

00:49:31.130 --> 00:49:36.329
I want to pump as much success into that company as I can because the more successful they are, the more successful we are.

00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:39.210
We are literally reliant on each other.

00:49:39.690 --> 00:49:40.969
And I love that.

00:49:41.210 --> 00:49:46.170
Because when I can go in and actually say that to them and they understand it, they're like, oh, that makes sense.

00:49:46.409 --> 00:49:48.730
I make no money unless you make money.

00:49:49.049 --> 00:49:51.449
So let's let's go out there and crush it.

00:49:51.610 --> 00:49:53.289
And that changes everything.

00:49:53.690 --> 00:50:08.570
Yeah, it seems like it's a whole different mentality because I know in government work, a lot of times you get into a position, you build it up, and then all the products and all the things that you did usually gets torn down, and then somebody else uses the man hours to rebuild it again.

00:50:08.809 --> 00:50:30.489
And versus like in the civilian world, you're building towards something, but there's a good chance, good opportunity that you'll just continue in that position for a uh a number of years and maybe build yourself up to be a greater success, which I think is a lot more motivational than knowing that in three to four years I'm gonna have to move on to something else.

00:50:30.809 --> 00:50:32.409
Um and I don't know.

00:50:32.489 --> 00:50:39.210
So they they say a lot of times it creates a a better, well-rounded professional, but I don't know if if that's true or not.

00:50:39.369 --> 00:50:40.889
What are your thoughts on that?

00:50:41.289 --> 00:50:51.210
I would say, like, from my experience, and I'm still young, I'm I'm not old yet, and I don't feel like I've still got a lot of working to do, but and growing to do.

00:50:51.369 --> 00:50:58.329
But I I just feel like we have to find something that we truly can do, right, that we enjoy.

00:50:58.650 --> 00:50:59.929
Don't settle.

00:51:00.409 --> 00:51:06.650
When I found this, a Christian faith-based company, like the CEO here is amazing.

00:51:06.730 --> 00:51:08.969
He treats everybody with love, compassion, understanding.

00:51:09.049 --> 00:51:12.009
He's a pastor, he has his own congregation.

00:51:12.170 --> 00:51:22.009
Like I've surrounded myself and found a position in a career that like I can grow with it and evolve with it and help build the business and be a part of it and the success of it.

00:51:22.090 --> 00:51:26.009
And he shares that, you know, it's a family, it's not a job.

00:51:26.730 --> 00:51:34.329
And it's I tell everybody we get one chance, right, to to go around the globe, like or we'll circle the earth or live our life.

00:51:34.409 --> 00:51:37.529
From our experience, like from our knowledge, we get one chance at it.

00:51:37.769 --> 00:51:40.650
Like, why waste the time being miserable?

00:51:41.210 --> 00:51:49.449
And that's why I think that's the one thing I could take away from leaving the government, that there is life after those positions.

00:51:49.690 --> 00:51:52.009
Like there is, you can always find a new job.

00:51:52.170 --> 00:51:58.090
As long as you're hardworking, dedicated, and you're you're honest and you have integrity, there's always a job.

00:51:58.809 --> 00:52:00.650
You don't have to be reliant on one.

00:52:01.369 --> 00:52:09.369
If you're not happy, if it causes your marriage, your kids, like causes any rifts in your family, like walk away.

00:52:10.090 --> 00:52:11.369
Go find something else.

00:52:11.769 --> 00:52:14.090
Like there's something else out there for you.

00:52:14.250 --> 00:52:14.969
You don't know.

00:52:15.130 --> 00:52:16.969
Like it could be around the next corner.

00:52:17.369 --> 00:52:18.969
Not I'm not telling everybody just quit their jobs.

00:52:19.130 --> 00:52:20.650
Like, we need people to work just jobs.

00:52:21.130 --> 00:52:23.529
You know, there's certain careers that we need people to be in.

00:52:23.769 --> 00:52:25.610
Like you guys served our country.

00:52:25.849 --> 00:52:26.650
We need that.

00:52:26.809 --> 00:52:30.170
And I'm not saying everybody should just leave it because there's some people that love what they do.

00:52:30.409 --> 00:52:31.449
And we value that.

00:52:31.529 --> 00:52:39.369
Like I value your what you do, I value what my brother does, my sister-in-law, a lot of friends and family that are still in the government.

00:52:39.849 --> 00:52:40.090
Yeah.

00:52:40.250 --> 00:52:43.529
And and I think there's different evolutions of your life as well.

00:52:43.690 --> 00:52:51.929
Like if you're doing something, whether it's military, law enforcement, first responder, your head and your heart has to be in it.

00:52:52.250 --> 00:53:01.610
And even if you do five years in the military, four years in the military, whatever it is, I mean, for that time frame, your service is honorable.

00:53:01.690 --> 00:53:04.570
You don't have to do 20 years or 30 years or whatever.

00:53:04.650 --> 00:53:14.250
It's it's you do something for a certain amount of time, and as long as your head and your heart and your family is is there, that's the most important thing that you have.

00:53:14.650 --> 00:53:19.849
Um I have known guys over the years that are like, well, I served in the military, but I didn't go to combat.

00:53:20.009 --> 00:53:23.369
So, you know, it's kind of I kind of was in the military, but not really.

00:53:23.449 --> 00:53:24.250
And that's not true.

00:53:24.329 --> 00:53:30.889
Like at the end of the day, you signed up for a very difficult mission that most people don't sign up for.

00:53:30.969 --> 00:53:33.449
And it's the same thing with first responders as well.

00:53:33.690 --> 00:53:46.809
So your time uh serving as a first responder as law enforcement is extremely valuable, even though you've moved on past that now and and you're serving other purposes now.

00:53:47.049 --> 00:53:49.849
Um you meet with all these CEOs.

00:53:50.170 --> 00:53:50.809
What's happening?

00:53:52.009 --> 00:53:55.369
I was gonna say, like, I got way more out of that than I did in college.

00:53:55.529 --> 00:53:57.130
Like college is a piece of paper.

00:53:57.369 --> 00:54:02.889
I I can't tell you if I've applied anything I learned in college other than you know, a couple of nights out with the boys.

00:54:03.529 --> 00:54:11.449
So I mean, you know, going in the government and and being in law enforcement, like I got so much experience from it.

00:54:11.610 --> 00:54:20.809
So many opportunities, hands-on experience, building programs, working with people, mentoring, you know, deploying, doing it was a great experience.

00:54:20.969 --> 00:54:26.730
Um I I I feel like everybody should get the opportunity to serve in some capacity or another.

00:54:26.889 --> 00:54:29.849
And you brought up another point again, you know, I wanted to touch on it.

00:54:30.409 --> 00:54:31.849
When you said it, I thought about it.

00:54:32.090 --> 00:54:36.969
Like the fact that people second guess themselves, yeah, I was kind of in the military.

00:54:37.210 --> 00:54:39.529
Like, why did people think down on themselves?

00:54:39.769 --> 00:54:45.769
Everybody's quick to put themselves put themselves down or say, like, you know, even with me, like, yeah, I kind of played football in college.

00:54:45.929 --> 00:54:48.650
I did it to, I did it and I tried not to, and I still did it.

00:54:48.809 --> 00:54:52.329
Like, nobody wants to talk to themselves, like, no one wants to be like, yeah, I was, you know.

00:54:52.889 --> 00:54:54.409
You gotta be proud of what you do.

00:54:54.650 --> 00:54:57.769
Proud of your accomplishments and proud of your failures.

00:54:58.170 --> 00:54:59.849
Like, you tried, right?

00:55:00.090 --> 00:55:08.329
It's like this other guy, the the guy in the gym the other day, he was sitting there reping, I want to say like 275, whatever, and he failed.

00:55:08.650 --> 00:55:12.650
And he he did it like three or four times, but then he failed in the last rep, and I pulled it off him.

00:55:12.730 --> 00:55:14.889
And he's like, dang it, man, you know, I'm so weak.

00:55:14.969 --> 00:55:18.969
I had I'm like, dude, you just did exactly what you're supposed to do.

00:55:19.210 --> 00:55:20.009
You failed.

00:55:20.090 --> 00:55:21.849
You pushed yourself to failure.

00:55:22.090 --> 00:55:26.009
You got more out of this workout than anybody else in here that's doing 20 reps.

00:55:26.170 --> 00:55:29.289
Like you failed and you succeeded at the same time.

00:55:29.449 --> 00:55:30.809
Like you got so much from that rep.

00:55:30.969 --> 00:55:32.329
He's like, Oh, dude, thank you, man.

00:55:32.489 --> 00:55:36.409
You know, it's like it's looking, it's it's all perspective on how we look at life.

00:55:36.650 --> 00:55:40.329
He was down on himself because he felt like everybody was gonna judge him for failing on a rep.

00:55:40.650 --> 00:55:42.570
Like, dude, that's badass.

00:55:42.730 --> 00:55:44.809
You pushed yourself to failure.

00:55:44.969 --> 00:55:47.130
Like, that is a totally different mindset.

00:55:47.610 --> 00:55:49.130
Yeah, I don't know.

00:55:49.449 --> 00:55:53.369
I want to say I told you the same thing too when I met you and you told me you played football.

00:55:53.529 --> 00:55:54.969
You downplayed it quite a bit.

00:55:55.130 --> 00:55:56.809
And I was like, don't downplay that.

00:55:56.889 --> 00:56:08.250
Like the fact that you even stepped on the field at Division I, Division III, any collegiate athlete out there that has the dis and I say this is the difference between the military and being a collegiate athlete.

00:56:08.489 --> 00:56:12.730
In the military, you're told where to be, what to wear, how to pivot.

00:56:12.809 --> 00:56:14.170
Yeah, the whole nine yards.

00:56:14.329 --> 00:56:19.610
When you're a college athlete, they're giving you a time, but you have to set that alarm clock.

00:56:19.769 --> 00:56:24.650
There you like you have to have the discipline to go out to the field at that time and bring all your stuff with you.

00:56:24.889 --> 00:56:27.849
So it takes a lot of maturity to be a collegiate athlete.

00:56:28.009 --> 00:56:30.170
I remember telling you, I was like, don't downplay that.

00:56:30.489 --> 00:56:36.889
And um, so it's funny that uh that that I just remembered that, that that specific thing about you.

00:56:37.289 --> 00:56:47.690
Um I think it's more of in that it's a disappointment myself because I I I chose to party versus applying myself like I should have.

00:56:47.929 --> 00:56:48.090
Yeah.

00:56:48.329 --> 00:56:50.489
And I I I do I don't want to look back.

00:56:50.650 --> 00:56:52.489
If I change anything, it changes everything.

00:56:52.730 --> 00:56:53.049
Right.

00:56:53.130 --> 00:56:55.929
But I do like I could have pushed myself harder.

00:56:56.409 --> 00:56:58.009
I mean, you're you're a kid.

00:56:58.170 --> 00:57:04.250
I mean, at the end of the day, the fact that you were even in that driver's seat to begin with, to be in that position, is incredible, man.

00:57:04.409 --> 00:57:12.329
Like you the to be even accepted to div Division III College is absolutely um outstanding.

00:57:12.489 --> 00:57:14.570
Uh, it was.

00:57:15.130 --> 00:57:21.130
And you know, we we are our own worst critics, man, and and we are really hard on ourselves a lot of times.

00:57:21.289 --> 00:57:29.769
I recently, a couple years ago, I went through a really difficult tactics course with a really difficult instructor.

00:57:30.170 --> 00:57:31.849
Instructor was a peer of mine.

00:57:32.170 --> 00:57:35.049
Uh, his name was Mike, great guy.

00:57:36.650 --> 00:57:38.489
The guy is Warren Torn.

00:57:38.730 --> 00:57:45.529
I mean, just had I have had so many conversations with him where he just talks about his time serving in Afghanistan.

00:57:46.090 --> 00:57:49.369
Uh, and there's such a big difference between his experiences and mine.

00:57:49.449 --> 00:58:00.090
But went through this tactics course and I screwed up really bad on this one scenario, and I thought, man, I'm going to get my ass chewed.

00:58:00.329 --> 00:58:01.690
I just prepare for it.

00:58:01.849 --> 00:58:03.369
Just I deserve it.

00:58:03.529 --> 00:58:04.570
The whole nine yards.

00:58:04.650 --> 00:58:18.889
I walked out of the uh out of the house and expecting to get my ass chewed, and uh this instructor, Mike, he just looked at me and he just kind of shook his head, and I just kind of stood off to the side and was beating myself up internally.

00:58:19.130 --> 00:58:23.690
And later on I asked him, I said, Man, I expected you to chew my ass after that one because I knew I screwed up.

00:58:23.849 --> 00:58:24.889
And he goes, you know what?

00:58:24.969 --> 00:58:26.009
He goes, I know you.

00:58:26.170 --> 00:58:31.769
He goes, I know you're gonna be harder on yourself, and then I can be on you.

00:58:32.250 --> 00:58:34.170
So I'm just gonna let that go.

00:58:34.409 --> 00:58:35.130
And he's right.

00:58:35.289 --> 00:58:36.889
He was 1,000% right, man.

00:58:36.969 --> 00:58:39.049
I was beating myself up.

00:58:39.289 --> 00:58:44.650
So nothing anyone else could say to me at that time would have affected me in any way, shape, or form.

00:58:45.210 --> 00:58:50.409
But we are sometimes, we do struggle with the internal value of ourselves.

00:58:50.570 --> 00:59:04.090
And what are some of the things that you've learned over the years on how we can be better at, I guess, just I guess loving ourselves a little more, respecting ourselves a little more, our experiences, our time.

00:59:04.570 --> 00:59:13.610
Um, you weren't just in the Marines, you weren't just in the Army, you weren't just in law enforcement, but you were serving, and a life of service is a life worth living.

00:59:13.769 --> 00:59:20.969
So how have you learned to, I guess, really appreciate yourself a little bit more and your your experiences?

00:59:21.610 --> 00:59:27.929
Again, it comes back to the Bible and it comes back to the camaraderie in the group and the people I surround myself with.

00:59:28.090 --> 00:59:36.170
Like doing the Bible study together, part of our series that we're doing, it's called 33 series, is about vocational in your job as a man.

00:59:36.409 --> 00:59:39.849
So it's perfect timing because we literally are doing the series right now.

00:59:40.090 --> 00:59:59.049
Um and, you know, last week there were some of the, these are business owners, successful business owners, and they were talking about how they're not happy with their job, or like it's just a oh yeah, I just do this or I just do that, or you know, nobody was like proud of all their experiences, but on the outside looking in, we're like, wait, wait, pump the brakes.

00:59:59.210 --> 01:00:08.809
You run a$10 million a year business that you started from the ground up with literally no help, and you built it into this by yourself.

01:00:09.769 --> 01:00:11.369
You should be proud of that.

01:00:12.009 --> 01:00:13.849
You're okay, you're just a roofer.

01:00:14.090 --> 01:00:14.889
That's what you think.

01:00:15.049 --> 01:00:17.289
But dude, you put roofs on people's houses.

01:00:17.449 --> 01:00:21.210
You've built an empire where you have 10 crews working for you.

01:00:21.449 --> 01:00:26.250
Like you, you are doing so much for our community, and like you don't realize what your your impact is.

01:00:26.409 --> 01:00:29.529
To you, you're just putting roofs on houses, but you're putting roofs on houses.

01:00:29.690 --> 01:00:33.210
Like I mean, he's like, I never really thought about it like that.

01:00:33.369 --> 01:00:34.570
And we all do that.

01:00:34.809 --> 01:00:42.730
The pest control owner, the it doesn't matter what you're like, everybody kind of like finds a way if if they it becomes we come become complacent.

01:00:42.969 --> 01:00:43.210
Right.

01:00:43.369 --> 01:00:46.489
We start to when we become so good at something, we become complacent.

01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:48.090
And I I'm guilty of it all the time.

01:00:48.170 --> 01:00:48.889
I do it all the time.

01:00:49.049 --> 01:00:49.610
Like everything.

01:00:49.690 --> 01:00:54.250
I'm like, like, you know, even my bench press, I hit 315 on incline for like four the other day.

01:00:54.329 --> 01:00:55.769
And the dude's like, dude, that's super strong.

01:00:55.849 --> 01:00:58.090
And I was like, it It's normal for me.

01:00:58.170 --> 01:01:00.329
It's just me lifting weight, right?

01:01:00.489 --> 01:01:04.090
But to out somebody out outside's perspective, that looks like a crap ton of weight.

01:01:04.409 --> 01:01:04.730
You know what I mean?

01:01:04.809 --> 01:01:06.889
It's like, wow, that dude's hitting 315 on an incline.

01:01:07.529 --> 01:01:13.289
It's just, I think it's people reminding us or finding a way to maybe self-reflect.

01:01:13.610 --> 01:01:18.409
Say, if I was looking at my life, what would it look where it appeared?

01:01:18.489 --> 01:01:19.449
How does it appear?

01:01:19.690 --> 01:01:27.529
And then it's taking that a step further and saying, what in my job or what in my life am I doing to serve God's purpose?

01:01:27.929 --> 01:01:30.170
And that's the thing that we're taking away from this now.

01:01:30.329 --> 01:01:35.130
Not only our own internal satisfaction, but are we satisfying God's goal for us?

01:01:35.369 --> 01:01:45.289
And I told, like, we were talking about it in the roofer, you know, he's like, you know, this is what I've got, this is all I do, but but that's the skill you were given.

01:01:45.849 --> 01:01:49.369
If you told me to go make a roof, I have no idea what I'm doing.

01:01:49.610 --> 01:01:53.130
I would not, I would botch the job, I would have no clue how to make a roof.

01:01:53.289 --> 01:01:55.849
I have no job, I don't have no clue how to do these things.

01:01:55.929 --> 01:01:56.730
You guys do.

01:01:56.889 --> 01:01:59.210
It's impressive that you guys can do this.

01:01:59.289 --> 01:02:01.769
And that you see it, architects, same thing.

01:02:02.009 --> 01:02:06.009
An architect that he's like, oh, I just design houses.

01:02:06.170 --> 01:02:07.449
Like, dude, that's incredible.

01:02:07.529 --> 01:02:09.529
You design houses that stay up and house people.

01:02:09.610 --> 01:02:13.210
Like it's just people get complacent.

01:02:13.449 --> 01:02:14.650
It's crazy.

01:02:15.289 --> 01:02:17.610
Yeah, I can't really describe it myself, man.

01:02:17.690 --> 01:02:28.250
But yeah, I know a lot of, and I always tell people this like I have over the years worked with some tremendously, I mean, impressive professionals.

01:02:28.650 --> 01:02:43.849
I always say like the difference between a lot of your big-time influencers, like your Jocko's and your Mike Glovers and all these other guys out there, the difference between them and the guys that I've worked with over the years is marketing.

01:02:44.009 --> 01:02:44.969
That's it.

01:02:45.210 --> 01:02:55.690
Like, there are some really impressive guys that I've just been so fortunate to be standing in the same room and be a part of whatever exercise it is or whatever op that we're doing at that time.

01:02:56.090 --> 01:03:06.570
And um we we have a tendency to kind of dwindle ourselves down just a notch or two or three or four and downplay who we are, man, and our experiences overall.

01:03:06.650 --> 01:03:08.009
And I don't understand it myself.

01:03:08.170 --> 01:03:15.449
You mentioned before that you've been part of conversations with CEOs and these millionaires, and they're sort of in the same boat.

01:03:15.529 --> 01:03:22.409
We're like, they're kind of bored and they don't know what to do with themselves, and they don't see themselves as something bigger than anything else.

01:03:22.570 --> 01:03:24.650
Can you talk about that a little bit?

01:03:24.969 --> 01:03:25.769
Yeah, 100%.

01:03:26.329 --> 01:03:29.849
Um it's it's the same thing I was just you know kind of touch a base on.

01:03:31.610 --> 01:03:38.809
We go into these meetings and they have been doing it for 20 years, and like it's the same day, same thing.

01:03:38.889 --> 01:03:45.289
They wake up and they just have their coffee and their routine and they're just bored looking for meaning in life.

01:03:46.009 --> 01:03:51.610
You know, if you don't have anyone, or you're not good at self-reflection, like a lot of us aren't.

01:03:51.849 --> 01:03:53.210
A lot of us like to beat each other up.

01:03:53.289 --> 01:03:57.929
We beat ourselves up, but how do we like pull each other, like our own self, like pull ourselves up?

01:03:58.170 --> 01:04:00.650
I've got my wife, like she's very good at it.

01:04:00.809 --> 01:04:02.809
Like I have got very lucky in my wife.

01:04:02.969 --> 01:04:06.730
She keeps me motivated, she backs me no matter what I decide to do.

01:04:06.889 --> 01:04:08.730
You know, she reminds me of my worth.

01:04:08.889 --> 01:04:13.529
You know, she's hard on me, which is good, but not as hard as I am on myself.

01:04:14.329 --> 01:04:26.570
But we, you know, these these CEOs and these you know successful people, they all have their own internal struggles and their own reasons that they're no longer content in life or they're looking for something.

01:04:27.049 --> 01:04:37.849
And I, you know, for me, I'm not gonna tell everybody, you know, go to the Bible or do that, but find something that you want in addition to your work.

01:04:38.009 --> 01:04:45.449
If you're feeling like that, first find your worth and how you can make it, you know, valuable, but then find something else that you can put your time into.

01:04:45.769 --> 01:04:49.529
Like for me, I volunteer at the church, I do the safety team for all the children.

01:04:49.610 --> 01:04:52.409
I keep 400 kids safe every single Wednesday.

01:04:52.650 --> 01:04:54.170
You know, I enjoy that.

01:04:54.329 --> 01:05:03.049
You know, I volunteer a lot of my time to safety and like security of the church, and that's where I put a lot, pour my time into on my off time.

01:05:03.610 --> 01:05:05.130
Um, and I thoroughly enjoy it.

01:05:05.210 --> 01:05:07.529
I feel like I'm making a difference at the church.

01:05:08.009 --> 01:05:10.090
Providing a service for the church.

01:05:10.570 --> 01:05:12.730
Finding that soul fulfillment, right?

01:05:14.730 --> 01:05:15.769
That's really what it is.

01:05:16.090 --> 01:05:19.449
But we can find it in our own jobs, we can find it in everyday life.

01:05:19.690 --> 01:05:22.809
But you gotta be willing to listen and figure out what it is.

01:05:23.049 --> 01:05:37.690
Even if it's just giving someone food, homeless man food or woman food, or or finding a way to like put a couple bucks aside every month, and then once you get a good chunk, like help a mom and her child.

01:05:38.250 --> 01:05:39.769
There's so many ways to help.

01:05:39.929 --> 01:05:52.090
There's orphans out there, like one of the big things I was talking about with my wife the other day for Christmas, we went to this orphanage and we got these like uh like Christmas trees, you pull them off the tree, and it's a kid that has this wish list or whatever.

01:05:52.409 --> 01:05:55.769
The two kids I saw were 18 and 19 years old.

01:05:56.009 --> 01:06:01.289
And I was like, man, like what happens like when they're 18, 19 and like they're still in the orphanage?

01:06:01.449 --> 01:06:05.210
Like, well, then let them stick around for a little bit, but this will be the last Christmas.

01:06:05.529 --> 01:06:07.849
Like this is their last, now they're on their own.

01:06:08.090 --> 01:06:19.289
And these kids get out there on their own and they don't have a network, they have no parents, they have no guidance, they don't have like they're just kind of on their own.

01:06:19.449 --> 01:06:21.130
What's gonna happen to those children?

01:06:21.369 --> 01:06:33.369
Like that's what we were talking about, like how can we maybe one day look for a way to help these kids coming out of these situations and guide them to the career, guide them to college, show them how to fill out paperwork.

01:06:33.690 --> 01:06:36.650
You know, just give them free guidance and and support.

01:06:36.809 --> 01:06:43.210
Maybe go earlier, start with them when they're 16 at the orphanages, start talking in through like what do you want to do with your life?

01:06:43.289 --> 01:06:44.409
What are you interested in?

01:06:44.650 --> 01:06:46.889
These children need guidance, you know.

01:06:48.170 --> 01:06:49.449
Yeah, and that's the one thing.

01:06:50.570 --> 01:06:52.889
There's a lot, there's a lot of mentorship that's needed.

01:06:53.130 --> 01:06:53.529
A lot.

01:06:54.329 --> 01:06:54.730
A lot.

01:06:55.049 --> 01:06:57.610
A lot, and a lot of men are not doing it.

01:06:57.769 --> 01:07:05.529
They're not mentoring these young men to look professional, be professional, how to talk, how to walk.

01:07:05.769 --> 01:07:09.049
I mean, we've I'd say my generation, we've almost failed.

01:07:09.130 --> 01:07:12.090
Like we sit here and complain about all these kids coming up now.

01:07:12.409 --> 01:07:13.529
That's our fault.

01:07:13.690 --> 01:07:14.489
That's our fault.

01:07:14.809 --> 01:07:16.090
That's my generation's fault, man.

01:07:16.250 --> 01:07:17.929
I gotta take accountability for that.

01:07:18.170 --> 01:07:21.210
Um, and it hurts my heart because I didn't grow up that way.

01:07:21.369 --> 01:07:31.690
My dad was a really hardcore guy, really intense um guy that was 20-year military service, ranger, drills, drill instructor.

01:07:32.090 --> 01:07:33.769
I mean, he set me straight, man.

01:07:33.849 --> 01:07:40.009
I was very fortunate and blessed to have him as a father, as a father figure going up.

01:07:40.329 --> 01:07:51.289
Um and and I want to mention too, we talked about belonging here and not selling ourselves short of who we are and our experiences.

01:07:51.369 --> 01:08:05.849
And as you were just talking, I looked behind me and I I saw my um bronze star back here with uh with the IED deck chord underneath it, and that was in a box for a number of years.

01:08:06.009 --> 01:08:09.210
I never pulled it out, I never really talked about it.

01:08:09.369 --> 01:08:13.369
Um it was one of those things where I came back and I just wanted to assimilate.

01:08:13.449 --> 01:08:15.769
I wanted to just be like everybody else.

01:08:15.929 --> 01:08:17.130
I didn't want to be different.

01:08:17.369 --> 01:08:25.770
But no matter how much I tried to scrub myself of that, I always came back to understanding that I'm a combat veteran.

01:08:26.090 --> 01:08:33.610
And I've been trying to learn how to appreciate more of the idea that I belong here.

01:08:33.770 --> 01:08:35.850
I belong in this podcast space.

01:08:36.170 --> 01:08:38.329
Um, I belong doing this.

01:08:39.050 --> 01:08:53.369
And it's days like this that make me re I guess that make me understand because I have these conversations with guys like you, and this has been dude, this is yeah, exactly.

01:08:53.449 --> 01:09:12.409
This has been such a it just re-energizes me to like this is what I need to be doing because people need to hear from guys like you how they're continuing on and continuing forward, even though you have all this adversity, you have downs, you have ups, you have in-betweens.

01:09:12.650 --> 01:09:15.450
You talked about offline, we talked about depression.

01:09:15.690 --> 01:09:17.930
I mean, you experienced a little bit of that, right?

01:09:18.410 --> 01:09:19.530
Extreme depression.

01:09:19.770 --> 01:09:20.010
Yeah.

01:09:20.090 --> 01:09:24.650
I mean, when I was in California, man, it got I was drinking every night.

01:09:25.210 --> 01:09:26.730
I mean, heavily.

01:09:27.050 --> 01:09:27.530
Rum.

01:09:27.930 --> 01:09:31.610
Like I would have these giant, and not just like a little cup of like, you know what I mean?

01:09:31.770 --> 01:09:32.890
I would fill these giant cups.

01:09:33.050 --> 01:09:36.090
My Miami, University of Miami, cocaines, by the way.

01:09:36.410 --> 01:09:45.370
The University of Miami cup, I'd fill it up with like halfway full with rum and like a can of Coke Zero, and I would drink at least one of those a night.

01:09:45.690 --> 01:09:51.530
Like when I was grilling, I'd be like, oh, I'm just gonna drink while I grill my burgers, grill my food for the kids while they swim in the pool, right?

01:09:51.690 --> 01:09:52.570
All these excuses.

01:09:52.970 --> 01:09:55.370
But it was to really like try to take away the stress.

01:09:55.530 --> 01:09:57.930
And all that did was make the make it worse.

01:09:58.090 --> 01:10:01.850
Because now I'm I'm by blood pressure and I'm hung over a little bit.

01:10:02.650 --> 01:10:04.410
It was constant, it was a cycle.

01:10:04.650 --> 01:10:14.890
And then I put on a face at work and I would start a shade staying motivated, but as soon as I'd walk out the door, it was back to the depression and anxiety and you know, stress and internal dwell.

01:10:15.050 --> 01:10:24.570
Like I didn't want to put it on my wife, you know, but I had no one else to talk to about that kind of stuff at the time, you know, because I didn't want to be vulnerable.

01:10:25.289 --> 01:10:30.890
I was a I was a supervisor, I was a leader, I was, you know, federal agent.

01:10:30.970 --> 01:10:31.850
Like, yeah, you know what I mean?

01:10:31.930 --> 01:10:35.289
Like just this yeah, this tough guy.

01:10:35.530 --> 01:10:40.650
I'm a hard guy, I'm strong, I'm big, I'm my kids, I'm I'm you know, invincible.

01:10:41.130 --> 01:10:45.050
You know, and it's just you know, everything happened for a reason.

01:10:45.210 --> 01:10:46.970
I I learned at a young age, man.

01:10:47.130 --> 01:10:48.970
I I'm blessed that I learned young.

01:10:49.770 --> 01:10:51.130
I I'm I feel so blessed.

01:10:51.370 --> 01:10:54.250
I guess I've always kind of done things faster than most.

01:10:54.730 --> 01:10:58.090
Like the way I knew I was gonna start my career, I knew exactly what I was gonna do.

01:10:58.330 --> 01:11:01.450
Most people got out of college and had no clue what they were gonna do.

01:11:01.770 --> 01:11:03.530
Like it's I've been blessed.

01:11:03.850 --> 01:11:11.850
Well, just like I said, man, I've been blessed to work with people like you and to be able to sit here today and have a conversation with you, George.

01:11:12.090 --> 01:11:18.250
Um, when it's all said and done, you got three daughters, what legacy do you want to leave on this earth?

01:11:19.370 --> 01:11:28.330
I just want to show them that they can do whatever they want, whatever they put their minds to, and you know, lead by compassion, by example.

01:11:28.570 --> 01:11:40.410
I want them to be strong, you know, I'm teaching them all kinds of valuable skills in life, but I also want them to have compassion and to think for themselves, not just because somebody tells you to do something.

01:11:40.730 --> 01:11:42.890
Like that's one thing that I took away.

01:11:43.050 --> 01:11:49.130
Like in the government, we were told to do certain things, and it became an order.

01:11:50.010 --> 01:11:53.130
And if you defied that order, there were consequences.

01:11:54.170 --> 01:11:59.610
And I didn't agree with certain orders at certain times, and I stuck my ground.

01:12:00.010 --> 01:12:01.610
And a lot and a lot of people had to go through that.

01:12:01.690 --> 01:12:05.930
I mean, we all went through some interesting times in 2020, 2021.

01:12:06.650 --> 01:12:12.650
And it it opened my eyes because growing up, I was always an order follower.

01:12:13.130 --> 01:12:13.690
Always.

01:12:13.930 --> 01:12:15.930
Like a completely order followers.

01:12:16.170 --> 01:12:20.650
And I'm not saying there's not good things in law and order, but you need to think for yourself.

01:12:20.970 --> 01:12:22.570
Why am I doing this?

01:12:22.890 --> 01:12:24.570
What is the reason I'm doing this?

01:12:24.730 --> 01:12:26.570
Is there moral reasons for this?

01:12:26.810 --> 01:12:29.050
Like, and I make my kids think like that.

01:12:29.289 --> 01:12:33.850
Like even I love my girls, they're so smart, and they like they love it because it's an exercise.

01:12:34.090 --> 01:12:35.610
I don't just tell them no anymore.

01:12:35.690 --> 01:12:37.289
And my wife kind of helped with this.

01:12:37.530 --> 01:12:41.130
If we don't want them to do something, we'll say, We don't think you should.

01:12:41.610 --> 01:12:42.650
Here's why.

01:12:43.370 --> 01:12:44.650
What are your thoughts on it?

01:12:44.810 --> 01:12:46.650
And we let them actually communicate with us.

01:12:46.810 --> 01:12:48.490
Well, I want to do it because this isn't this.

01:12:48.650 --> 01:12:51.289
Okay, well, have you thought about this, this, this, this, right?

01:12:51.690 --> 01:12:54.170
Instead of just be like, no, end of story, I'm the dad.

01:12:54.250 --> 01:12:54.650
That's it.

01:12:54.810 --> 01:12:55.370
You're done.

01:12:55.610 --> 01:12:56.970
Like the way we were raised.

01:12:57.210 --> 01:12:58.170
Like, that's it.

01:12:58.410 --> 01:12:59.210
No more questions.

01:12:59.450 --> 01:12:59.930
Go to bed.

01:13:00.090 --> 01:13:00.970
Okay, yes, sir.

01:13:02.250 --> 01:13:06.810
So I just I I want to leave a legacy of to see the world differently.

01:13:07.450 --> 01:13:08.410
They love the church.

01:13:08.570 --> 01:13:10.330
There's they're so involved in the church.

01:13:11.289 --> 01:13:16.170
Two girls are on the worship team, you know, they love to sing, they love to praise.

01:13:16.410 --> 01:13:20.730
Um it's just good to see them grow up into little women.

01:13:21.130 --> 01:13:23.450
You know, I got one that's going to be a teenager this year.

01:13:23.770 --> 01:13:24.490
Scary.

01:13:24.810 --> 01:13:26.490
Just a little woman.

01:13:26.970 --> 01:13:28.970
So it's it's happened quick.

01:13:29.210 --> 01:13:30.570
And I'm sure you know.

01:13:30.970 --> 01:13:33.930
What a what a beautiful life you've had, George.

01:13:34.090 --> 01:13:43.050
You've had ups, downs, you've had a brother that's proudly served during a time of war, great parents that also served our great country as well.

01:13:43.289 --> 01:13:51.770
And then here you are today transitioning your career from government to civilian, uh, to the civilian environment.

01:13:51.930 --> 01:14:01.130
And you've taken a lot of the skills, a lot of the experiences with you over there, and hopefully you have some effect over folks that are on that side of the aisle as well.

01:14:01.370 --> 01:14:06.010
Um, for folks out there that want to connect with you, you are on LinkedIn, right?

01:14:06.090 --> 01:14:08.170
And you are on Instagram?

01:14:08.490 --> 01:14:09.289
I'm on Instagram.

01:14:09.450 --> 01:14:12.490
I'm I'm slowly getting back into social media.

01:14:12.730 --> 01:14:16.970
I do have these accounts, and I'm starting to try to be more active, especially in the sales role.

01:14:17.130 --> 01:14:19.610
You need to be more socially active.

01:14:19.770 --> 01:14:21.050
I'm not a big poster.

01:14:21.210 --> 01:14:23.370
I don't like to post or market, like you say.

01:14:23.530 --> 01:14:30.010
You know, like there's certain guys that do things as it's hard for me to get into social media because I don't like picking up my phone unless I have to.

01:14:30.250 --> 01:14:34.970
So I need to find either hire somebody to do my posts, but I am gonna be on social media.

01:14:35.370 --> 01:14:36.810
Reach out to me, you know.

01:14:36.970 --> 01:14:40.330
You know, I want to-there's one more story I want to tell you too.

01:14:40.810 --> 01:14:42.330
I had a great life.

01:14:42.570 --> 01:14:43.289
I really did.

01:14:43.370 --> 01:14:46.250
It was an amazing life, but it wasn't always perfect.

01:14:46.570 --> 01:14:54.570
You know, growing up in my first house in Claire Mel, I was like one of the only white kids in the block.

01:14:54.810 --> 01:15:01.930
So like, you know, there were times when I used to have to fight all the time just because they didn't like me.

01:15:02.090 --> 01:15:05.370
You know, that started my kind of like insecurity with myself.

01:15:05.530 --> 01:15:09.850
Because like they would call me cracker and I'd get in these fights and I had to learn how to fight very young.

01:15:10.090 --> 01:15:14.810
It wasn't until I got beat so bad by teenagers that my parents sold the house.

01:15:14.970 --> 01:15:16.250
Actually, they didn't even sell the house.

01:15:16.410 --> 01:15:17.770
They moved us out the very next day.

01:15:17.850 --> 01:15:20.570
We went and lived in my Omaha until we bought a new house.

01:15:20.730 --> 01:15:22.010
And then they sold the house.

01:15:22.250 --> 01:15:23.850
Because they just couldn't keep me in that environment anymore.

01:15:23.930 --> 01:15:27.210
And I don't know if you were Claremont, Florida is like very bad now.

01:15:27.450 --> 01:15:29.850
It's the crime is horrible.

01:15:29.930 --> 01:15:30.330
Like, this is a good thing.

01:15:30.490 --> 01:15:31.690
Is that down near Miami?

01:15:32.330 --> 01:15:33.610
No, it's a Tampa.

01:15:33.770 --> 01:15:40.970
It's off of a place called 78th Street in Tampa, but it is just cr high crime, a lot of shootings, drugs.

01:15:41.210 --> 01:15:44.810
Like the whole area just completely got swallowed up by that.

01:15:44.890 --> 01:15:46.490
And we got out of it, thank gosh.

01:15:46.570 --> 01:15:48.090
I mean, we got it when I was young.

01:15:48.730 --> 01:15:50.970
It that was a crazy experience.

01:15:51.130 --> 01:15:55.690
And then my dad had this, you know, he still has it.

01:15:55.770 --> 01:16:03.530
He has a disability from the military, some chemical exposure to chemicals that kind of caused him to have an imbalance.

01:16:04.330 --> 01:16:08.250
So, like, and this is me being very vulnerable because I've never talked about this in an open forum.

01:16:08.490 --> 01:16:10.330
Very few people know about this.

01:16:10.650 --> 01:16:12.650
It's very, very hush-hush in our family.

01:16:12.730 --> 01:16:13.610
We don't even talk about it.

01:16:13.770 --> 01:16:20.730
I don't think I've talked about it with my dad ever, maybe once since it happened.

01:16:20.970 --> 01:16:25.690
Um, but if he doesn't take his medication, he becomes a completely different person.

01:16:25.930 --> 01:16:36.970
Like bipolar, schizophrenic, like completely, like he would board up the windows, say that people were coming to get him, like all kinds of crazy stuff, like CIA, FBI, whatever.

01:16:37.450 --> 01:16:49.850
When I was 18 and I was touring colleges for for football, and this is another reason kind of why I chose to go as far away from Florida as I could, you know, like why I chose Wisconsin, because it was as far north as I could get away from Florida.

01:16:50.010 --> 01:16:51.530
Just a I wanted to run away.

01:16:51.770 --> 01:16:54.090
Looking back, that's why I ran away.

01:16:54.330 --> 01:17:00.490
That's why I didn't go to I could have gone to Jacksonville University, which is a D1AA school in full ride right there and but I did.

01:17:00.570 --> 01:17:05.850
They don't have football anymore, but I could have played right there close to home, you know, and played at D1 school.

01:17:06.010 --> 01:17:09.690
Or I could have walked on to USF because I had the opportunity to walk on at the time.

01:17:09.850 --> 01:17:15.450
I could have just walked on as a, I forget what they called it, something walked-on.

01:17:15.930 --> 01:17:17.610
I don't know my exact term.

01:17:17.930 --> 01:17:22.490
Um It's like a gold star walk-on or something like that, where you're special preferred walk-on, I think.

01:17:22.810 --> 01:17:23.930
Preferred walk-on, that's what it is.

01:17:24.010 --> 01:17:24.090
Yeah.

01:17:24.250 --> 01:17:24.410
Yeah.

01:17:24.570 --> 01:17:28.090
I could have came on as a preferred walk-on back then, but I chose to run away after this event.

01:17:28.330 --> 01:17:34.010
So I was up actually in Jacksonville University visiting the school, and my dad hadn't taken his meds.

01:17:34.090 --> 01:17:35.130
He was kind of acting weird.

01:17:35.289 --> 01:17:36.250
My brother was texting us.

01:17:36.330 --> 01:17:37.130
He was 16 at the time.

01:17:37.210 --> 01:17:38.410
He's like, hey, dad's acting weird.

01:17:38.490 --> 01:17:39.530
You guys got to hurry up.

01:17:39.690 --> 01:17:42.970
So me and my mom cut the trip short with Jacksonville University.

01:17:43.050 --> 01:17:44.730
We're driving back to Tampa.

01:17:44.970 --> 01:17:50.970
And when we get back to the house, we come in, we're like looking for my dad, but where is he?

01:17:51.050 --> 01:17:53.289
He's like, I don't know, I haven't seen him in an hour or so.

01:17:53.610 --> 01:17:55.289
Like, dude, you uh checked on him?

01:17:55.370 --> 01:17:56.330
He's like, no.

01:17:57.130 --> 01:18:02.250
We go in and we find this note, it's a suicide note that my dad had written out.

01:18:02.570 --> 01:18:03.530
Like all these things.

01:18:03.690 --> 01:18:04.810
It was on the table.

01:18:04.970 --> 01:18:08.490
And so we, me and my brother, we pound, we all the doors are locked.

01:18:08.570 --> 01:18:16.010
We go into my parents' room, we come around, we go into like their master bath and the bathroom door's closed, and we don't hear anything.

01:18:16.170 --> 01:18:17.530
And we're fearing the worst.

01:18:17.690 --> 01:18:21.370
Like, I'm like, dude, I'm gonna find my dad dead or whatever.

01:18:21.610 --> 01:18:29.210
So we we open the door and we start hearing this like weird like whining noise, like crying, like bawling.

01:18:29.530 --> 01:18:36.010
And my dad's there with a freaking 357 Magnum Smith and Wesson cocked with it to his head.

01:18:36.410 --> 01:18:44.810
So like I got in and I could tell you I saw it and I woke up with him on the ground.

01:18:45.370 --> 01:18:48.410
I have no idea what happened in between.

01:18:48.570 --> 01:18:50.330
I still to this day blacked out.

01:18:50.570 --> 01:18:52.570
I have no recollection of what took place.

01:18:52.730 --> 01:18:54.330
Like an angel took over, bro.

01:18:54.490 --> 01:18:56.010
Like it was crazy.

01:18:56.330 --> 01:19:03.210
And I I woke up, I snapped out of it with my dad on the ground, and somehow my brother had the gun and he took it out of the room.

01:19:03.370 --> 01:19:13.930
And I had my dad pinned to the ground while he was trying to fight me and he was crying and just trying to figure out, and I have no like it was such a crazy experience because I blacked, I don't know what happened with that time.

01:19:14.090 --> 01:19:16.730
I don't know how much time took place in between those two events.

01:19:16.890 --> 01:19:17.690
I don't know.

01:19:17.930 --> 01:19:22.410
My mom doesn't remember, my brother doesn't remember, my dad doesn't talk about it.

01:19:23.690 --> 01:19:28.890
And uh it was uh but that was a very traumatic experience.

01:19:29.130 --> 01:19:32.650
And that's when I kind of like I ran away for a while.

01:19:33.130 --> 01:19:36.650
But coming back, you know, I'm glad that I came back.

01:19:36.810 --> 01:19:42.890
And I'm glad that I became an air marshal because it happened again when I was 24, but I was already an air marshal.

01:19:43.610 --> 01:19:50.730
And I was able to catch it quick enough, and I was able to talk him into getting in the truck and going to the VA with me.

01:19:51.370 --> 01:19:52.890
Without having to escalate it.

01:19:52.970 --> 01:19:56.970
Like without having to I told him, and he, you know, at the time he's like, What do you do, handcuff me?

01:19:57.130 --> 01:20:00.010
I'm like, if I have to, like I'll do what I gotta do.

01:20:00.170 --> 01:20:06.170
Like you either get in the truck with me now, you smoke cigarettes the whole way, or I'm gonna put you in cuffs and I'm still gonna take you to the VA.

01:20:06.570 --> 01:20:07.530
It's your choice.

01:20:08.090 --> 01:20:10.650
And it just he has not had an episode since.

01:20:11.530 --> 01:20:12.810
That was the last one.

01:20:12.890 --> 01:20:15.930
I I don't know if they finally got the meds right.

01:20:16.010 --> 01:20:18.490
I don't know, because it would happen every four years.

01:20:19.050 --> 01:20:20.490
He would have these episodes.

01:20:20.730 --> 01:20:22.730
The medicine medication would stop working.

01:20:23.050 --> 01:20:24.810
And every four years he would have an episode.

01:20:24.970 --> 01:20:29.130
He pulled the shotgun on a neighbor one time when I was like 14 and tried to shoot him.

01:20:29.370 --> 01:20:33.530
Like just all these different things, but it was every four years, almost like clockwork.

01:20:34.410 --> 01:20:41.690
And it's not an episode since is he like most vets who was very resistant to going to the VA to get help?

01:20:42.170 --> 01:20:42.890
Not anymore.

01:20:44.010 --> 01:20:48.010
Ever since before he thought he could quit taking the medicine and beat it.

01:20:48.970 --> 01:20:53.930
Because one of the downfalls or the the side effects of the medication is it makes him feel like crap.

01:20:54.490 --> 01:20:56.410
Like he has to really fight himself.

01:20:57.050 --> 01:20:58.810
To want to do life.

01:20:59.289 --> 01:21:02.890
It keeps him almost like in a sedated kind of state of mind.

01:21:03.130 --> 01:21:06.090
He's gotten better at it now, and I think maybe they got the medicine right or whatever.

01:21:06.170 --> 01:21:08.730
He's he's more engaged now than he used to be.

01:21:09.050 --> 01:21:16.250
Like with the kids and like my grandkids, like my daughters has grandkids, and like but he's still kind of like not what he used to be.

01:21:16.570 --> 01:21:21.530
He's not that fun outgoing, go throw the baseball in the backyard type of dad.

01:21:22.410 --> 01:21:31.930
And there's so many vets out there that don't get the help because they don't have the type of intervention that you and your brother had with that episode.

01:21:32.090 --> 01:21:38.970
There's a lot of vets out there, and that's why there's like they say a 22 a day hovers right around that number because there is no intervention.

01:21:39.210 --> 01:22:00.650
And lately the VA has been under a lot of scrutiny, and as far as the service connection stuff, um there's been I want to do an episode specifically about it, and I think it's complete bullshit because at the end of the day, if you hadn't showed up at that time, you wouldn't have done that, you wouldn't have a dad right now.

01:22:01.370 --> 01:22:08.330
The exact moment, everything, everything played out exactly like it was supposed to do, and my hand was guided in that moment, man.

01:22:09.370 --> 01:22:10.250
It wasn't me.

01:22:10.410 --> 01:22:11.450
I had no training.

01:22:11.770 --> 01:22:17.210
I like people say, you know, you look back and like if my if a Marine Corps brother would have done it, it was training.

01:22:17.770 --> 01:22:19.210
His training kicked in, right?

01:22:19.450 --> 01:22:23.530
If me as a law enforcement officer with with training that I had, oh the training kicked in.

01:22:23.770 --> 01:22:23.930
Right.

01:22:24.090 --> 01:22:26.090
As an 18-year-old kid, I had no training.

01:22:26.250 --> 01:22:26.570
Right.

01:22:26.890 --> 01:22:29.530
Zero training on how to take a weapon from somebody trying to shoot themselves.

01:22:29.610 --> 01:22:30.330
Like, there's none.

01:22:30.410 --> 01:22:34.970
Like I something took my hand and made me and and it was successful.

01:22:35.289 --> 01:22:37.050
It could have gone horribly wrong.

01:22:37.770 --> 01:22:41.690
Well, I'm glad that your your dad saw the light and finally got the help that he needed.

01:22:41.770 --> 01:22:48.650
I mean, it took me years for myself just to go to the VA because of the stigma, the stereotypes, and everything in between.

01:22:49.930 --> 01:22:59.210
I mean, if you've served a an ample amount of years and you've made a lot of really tough decisions, you don't have to go to combat to need service connection.

01:22:59.289 --> 01:23:00.810
People think that all the time.

01:23:01.130 --> 01:23:02.170
That's not the case, man.

01:23:02.250 --> 01:23:10.570
Like when you're in the military, you have to spend a lot of time away from family, miss birthdays, miss holidays, sacrifice like all kinds of stuff.

01:23:12.010 --> 01:23:12.810
Yeah, it's huge.

01:23:12.970 --> 01:23:23.289
And there were places that I didn't want to be on during times I didn't want to be there, but I had to be there and I missed out completely on life.

01:23:23.450 --> 01:23:26.730
And um it's sort of like how it was with you in LA.

01:23:26.890 --> 01:23:40.010
You're hundreds of miles away from any type of family support, and you're going through this depression, and thank God that you had your wife here and your kids and everything to be some type of uh pillar of support for you.

01:23:40.250 --> 01:23:47.770
Um, you know, because we all need family, man, and the military a lot of times pulls you away from that, and you we really need each other.

01:23:47.930 --> 01:23:55.770
So God bless that you were able to be there at that time to grab your dad's hand and to have that intervention with him and get him the helping needs.

01:23:55.850 --> 01:24:10.170
Um I'm glad that you shared that story at the very end because um that just shows the type of person that you are, you and your brother and your parents, they've got to be mightily proud of both of you for being the uh grown men that you are today.

01:24:10.410 --> 01:24:12.250
Um I know that I am.

01:24:12.490 --> 01:24:20.570
Um very proud of you, your professionalism, the fact that you're able to pivot, fall, and land on your feet.

01:24:20.810 --> 01:24:27.610
Um George, it's it's meant the world to me that you've stayed in contact with me um all these years later.

01:24:27.770 --> 01:24:29.850
And uh I just want to thank you for that.

01:24:30.170 --> 01:24:31.770
No, you're one of the good ones, brother.

01:24:31.930 --> 01:24:34.890
My my phone is always open to you anytime you know that.

01:24:35.210 --> 01:24:35.690
I appreciate it.

01:24:35.770 --> 01:24:36.410
I appreciate that.

01:24:36.490 --> 01:24:47.530
And if anyone out there is listening, you know, if you listen to George George's story today and you'd like to connect with him, you can find him on LinkedIn, uh George Gammon, I would guess.

01:24:47.690 --> 01:24:49.130
No middle initial or nothing like that.

01:24:49.370 --> 01:24:52.890
There no, it's George Gammon, but there are there are there is another George Gammon out there.

01:24:52.970 --> 01:24:55.450
He's a financial like guru, not that one.

01:24:56.250 --> 01:25:00.010
So the the heavier said guy.

01:25:00.330 --> 01:25:02.970
The non-financial guru, George Gammon.

01:25:03.210 --> 01:25:04.570
And then you're also on Instagram.

01:25:04.650 --> 01:25:13.210
I'll do my best to put in the show notes um and the uh descriptions and I'll I'll collab with you on the Instagram as well.

01:25:13.289 --> 01:25:20.890
Um, because people out there kind of digest their connections differently on the different types of social media that they that they use out there.

01:25:21.050 --> 01:25:24.970
But George, we've been talking for almost an hour and a half now, man.

01:25:25.050 --> 01:25:30.890
Um I hope that we can do this again some other time, man, when you've hit a hit a new milestone.

01:25:31.050 --> 01:25:38.090
Um and we're recording this on a Monday, and we've got we're a couple hours away from the big game, Indiana versus Miami.

01:25:38.170 --> 01:25:38.730
Who do you got?

01:25:38.890 --> 01:25:39.210
Yep.

01:25:39.770 --> 01:25:40.890
Go Canes, baby.

01:25:41.050 --> 01:25:42.730
Go Canes, let's go.

01:25:43.130 --> 01:25:48.330
I'm about to put some money down on that one because at the end of the day, like I'm always about the underdog.

01:25:48.490 --> 01:25:51.289
Indiana is so heavily favored in that game right now, man.

01:25:51.450 --> 01:25:54.970
Um if that Miami D shows up, it's gonna be an interesting game.

01:25:55.130 --> 01:25:56.090
Let's see who shows up.

01:25:56.650 --> 01:25:57.850
It'll be interesting, man.

01:25:58.010 --> 01:25:58.250
Yeah.

01:25:58.410 --> 01:26:02.730
Well, let me let you go so you can go grab your wings and uh get your family together and go enjoy that game.

01:26:02.810 --> 01:26:10.250
But George, thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to pick your brain and learn a little bit more about you and where you've been and where you're going.

01:26:10.330 --> 01:26:11.210
I appreciate that.

01:26:11.530 --> 01:26:12.090
Nah, brother.

01:26:12.170 --> 01:26:13.130
Thanks for the opportunity, man.

01:26:13.210 --> 01:26:13.850
You have a great one.

01:26:13.930 --> 01:26:14.490
Thanks, buddy.

01:26:14.650 --> 01:26:21.210
Hey, and for everyone else out there, as always, I want you to stay tuned, stay focused, and stay motivated.

01:26:21.450 --> 01:26:23.130
Warriors, all out.